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I read that hard to digest or bad protein and running in hot weather is bad for a dogs kidneys, i feed showtime 27% protein and 20% fat could anyone shed some light on this issue and what should i do , maybe if we have a vet/beagler opinion as well ??

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Gotta be smart about it. Cut back on their intake or go to a summer blend with fewer protein/fat food.

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why does a "summer blend" have to have less protein/fat % can anyone actualy show me something or is it just hear say ? I asked my vet about this b/c I feed pro plan 20/30 and they looked at me like I was crazy...I feed it all year long lol and my dogs are ran all summer. Lol or the "it burns them up" what exactly does that mean ? Idk...I feed pro plan 20/30 year round with absolutely zero issues. no dead dogs and nothing showing signs of being "burnt up" so to speak...I think it's redneck science.." he said she said"

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I read that hard to digest or bad protein and running in hot weather is bad for a dogs kidneys, i feed showtime 27% protein and 20% fat could anyone shed some light on this issue and what should i do , maybe if we have a vet/beagler opinion as well ??

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A dog's normal healthy kidneys can handle "high" protein year round. Only time you'll see issues is with a dog with a already developing kidney disease/failure. The protein content of food has nothing to do with that, genetics do...

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A dog's normal healthy kidneys can handle "high" protein year round. Only time you'll see issues is with a dog with a already developing kidney disease/failure. The protein content of food has nothing to do with that, genetics do...

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why does a "summer blend" have to have less protein/fat % can anyone actualy show me something or is it just hear say ? I asked my vet about this b/c I feed pro plan 20/30 and they looked at me like I was crazy...I feed it all year long lol and my dogs are ran all summer. Lol or the "it burns them up" what exactly does that mean ? Idk...I feed pro plan 20/30 year round with absolutely zero issues. no dead dogs and nothing showing signs of being "burnt up" so to speak...I think it's redneck science.." he said she said"

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Yup doesnt matter how much protein you feed them, the number one most important thing to remember when feeding is water water water, water is what helps kidneys function properly regardless of feed.

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My vet says higher protein does nothing for your dog. Higher fat content gives them more energy, but most foods with higher fats have more protein too. Some dogs, especially older cannot take all that protein.
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just my 2 cents worth which ain't much if you don't hunt your dog much in the summer when it's really hot they don't need all that fat and protien i don't hunt mine much in the summer so i use a mantance feed which is lower in fat and protien i think the worse thing on a dogs kindeys is if you feed a corn base eed corn builds heat

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The science behind the theory is most likely the fact that more water is required to breakdown protein than is required to break down fat. Also more ATP (energy) is used to breakdown the protein into amino acids and generates greater heat than the same amount of fat being metabolized. The fat contains a higher concentration of calories that are easier for the body to use because they are not as difficult to metabolize. The protein however contributes more to the overall health of the body. The kidneys come into play because there is waste products produced from the breakdown of the protein and to much entering the kidneys over extended periods of time can take a toll on the organ. The amount of internal heat may or may not play a role but as long as the dogs are kept hydrated my opinion would be that there really would not be a significant difference.

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thats a negative on the protein year round. Ive been screaming it for years. Dogs cant handle it. Go eat a bunch of high protein foods ur self and go outside and work in the heat. let me know how it treats you. Too much protein in a daily deit is hard on everything.

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Most don't realize racing greyhounds are fed a ratio of no less than 26% and most over 30% and raw meat mixed in as well. I have owned performance dogs my entire life and I'm here to tell you in the old days guys mixed cat feed in to get more protein. I was in the greyhound business as well and the science put into those dogs is beyond anything our vets know about. People forget your family vet is like a family doctor and vet specialists are just that, specialists. I wont overwhelm you with the biochemistry lessons, I hold dual certifications is nutrition with an emphasis on biochemistry . But find a neutral specialist if you want the answer. This debate is as old as what brand of dog food. Last I checked corn is corn and my $10.00 is worth the same as your $10.00. Half the people that respond to these types of questions wouldn't know a proton from a neutron let alone what the scientific term for this specific kidney issue is.
Which is Chronic Renal Failure. Long story short : BS on high protein and kidney failure.

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Most don't realize racing greyhounds are fed a ratio of no less than 26% and most over 30% and raw meat mixed in as well. I have owned performance dogs my entire life and I'm here to tell you in the old days guys mixed cat feed in to get more protein. I was in the greyhound business as well and the science put into those dogs is beyond anything our vets know about. People forget your family vet is like a family doctor and vet specialists are just that, specialists. I wont overwhelm you with the biochemistry lessons, I hold dual certifications is nutrition with an emphasis on biochemistry . But find a neutral specialist if you want the answer. This debate is as old as what brand of dog food. Last I checked corn is corn and my $10.00 is worth the same as your $10.00. Half the people that respond to these types of questions wouldn't know a proton from a neutron let alone what the scientific term for this specific kidney issue is.
Which is Chronic Renal Failure. Long story short : BS on high protein and kidney failure.

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How about just not running dogs in high heat! Would you want to run around in 85 90 degree weather? Problem solved.

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I believe that dogs having multiple occurrence of heat prostration leads to kidney damage. You can only run a dog off its feet so many times.

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ok but I can prove it with facts. Everyone has got a different opinions. I guess thats why their's different flavors of ice cream. Google bil-jac dog food and just read my friend. They claim they are running about 18% pro & 8% fat and trust me when I say uve never seen a dog run so smooth in the heat or just go the long distance. May just be my line of dogs dont know but, on high pro dog food they tree about 80 barks per minute. Cut back on all the over price dog food that brag on the bag that they have this for protein and that for fat. They bark well over a 100 barks per minute and dont burn up on the tree. Trust me readers the whole world is so competitive w their products that they end up over doing things a little and long term effects is ur dogs organs. I know a feller that lost 3 stud dogs under the age of 7 and its all he did was feed high pro dog food. Between me telling him over and over not to do it and him not wanting to loose another top hound he took the third one that burnt up and and sent the dog to be tested at a top state vet school it kinda it home for em when he got the results back. If u want to juice ur dog before an event do it 3 weeks prior and then back off especially in the summer months. I recommend bil-dog food along w their regular dry food. Thanks for reading Norm

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Ive seen dogs overheat from poor breeding , and being over weight, never saw a healthy dog with desire fold up because of what it being fed. A healthy dog could eat corn pops and perform well but why not support a hard working dog with a quality feed.

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ok but I can prove it with facts. Everyone has got a different opinions. I guess thats why their's different flavors of ice cream. Google bil-jac dog food and just read my friend. They claim they are running about 18% pro & 8% fat and trust me when I say uve never seen a dog run so smooth in the heat or just go the long distance. May just be my line of dogs dont know but, on high pro dog food they tree about 80 barks per minute. Cut back on all the over price dog food that brag on the bag that they have this for protein and that for fat. They bark well over a 100 barks per minute and dont burn up on the tree. Trust me readers the whole world is so competitive w their products that they end up over doing things a little and long term effects is ur dogs organs. I know a feller that lost 3 stud dogs under the age of 7 and its all he did was feed high pro dog food. Between me telling him over and over not to do it and him not wanting to loose another top hound he took the third one that burnt up and and sent the dog to be tested at a top state vet school it kinda it home for em when he got the results back. If u want to juice ur dog before an event do it 3 weeks prior and then back off especially in the summer months. I recommend bil-dog food along w their regular dry food. Thanks for reading Norm

p.s. dont want to BS u people because my schooling has been the timber w a hound all my life.

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What aopinionsre you Evansville allowedowedg to say here ? You have proved nothing. The day you feed and sell $30,000.00 greyhounds like I have and have a college education that backs up the topic at hand then '
PROVE" me something. until then have a good day. I have owned stakes winning greyhounds, grntch coonhounds, I owned world champion swim dogs(coon/grey)field trial dogs (coon/grey) and national champion bird dogs along with these beagles. Maybe you would like to view my Facebook and see what I operate.

While you are insulting my intelligence please please explain to the audience how Bil Jac biosynthesis protein molecules over brand X


Oh and I know about high protein and working in the heat also. My protein was very high.

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But here are the facts and the ones selling u the dog food dont want to hear. Protein to grow, fats and carbohydrates to run. Not saying that an adult dog dont need protein they do but they need lean protein if run hard. Why do u all think the whitetail buck deer grows his horns he is in the bean fields in July and August eating the tops of the bean plant. Solid protein is why he is growing his horns. Then as soon as it gets cold he switches totally to carbohydrates. Its what his body is calling for. our puppies do need good protein when they're growing. For example lets use a wild animal that are closer related to our hounds. Question for ya I'd like to hear some replies on this scenario. let's say we harvested a deer what would be the first thing they would be consume by the coyote in winter vs. In the summer. I learned alot from the natives when stayed in the villages in Alaska. They ate fat year round as a delicacy. they live to be 100 years old w very little health problems. we can learn a lot by just watching the wildlife and making mental notes and applying it to our on diets. The wild animals God created them to survive and they have survived forever with a fraction of the brain that we possess in ten times worse conditions. please no nasty comments. if you don't believe me don't apply it to your Kennels diet. if any of it makes sense to you try it. Call me i can teach u to put an extra gear in ur hound when u might need it in the final round. Thanks for reading Norm Starling 330-749-7176

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why do you think when we work out we burn fat. so a good balance of fat when we're working hard is what we need. if that wasn't the case we would burn muscle when working hard. to grow muscle you need protein.

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ok but I can prove it with facts. Everyone has got a different opinions. I guess thats why their's different flavors of ice cream. Google bil-jac dog food and just read my friend. They claim they are running about 18% pro & 8% fat and trust me when I say uve never seen a dog run so smooth in the heat or just go the long distance. May just be my line of dogs dont know but, on high pro dog food they tree about 80 barks per minute. Cut back on all the over price dog food that brag on the bag that they have this for protein and that for fat. They bark well over a 100 barks per minute and dont burn up on the tree. Trust me readers the whole world is so competitive w their products that they end up over doing things a little and long term effects is ur dogs organs. I know a feller that lost 3 stud dogs under the age of 7 and its all he did was feed high pro dog food. Between me telling him over and over not to do it and him not wanting to loose another top hound he took the third one that burnt up and and sent the dog to be tested at a top state vet school it kinda it home for em when he got the results back. If u want to juice ur dog before an event do it 3 weeks prior and then back off especially in the summer months. I recommend bil-dog food along w their regular dry food. Thanks for reading Norm

p.s. dont want to BS u people because my schooling has been the timber w a hound all my life.

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