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I have searched many times and ways "What happens at a night hunt?" here on this and other forums. I am not finding what I am looking for.

I would like to understand how a lot of the terms are used. I have read the terms glossary here, coondawgs.com, and even Waynes at one of the kennels recommended on here somewhere. I have read the 2014 UKC rule book for night hunts and just got to be honest, it didn't make much sense too me. I get a lot of the glossary terms but what I don't understand is the circling and deleting points and why some of the dogs that struck got minus points.

This is what I can understand so far..

The cast sets out with x amount of dogs/handlers up to a total of 4?

The first dog that is struck in gets 100 pts, the second gets 75, third 50 and fourth gets 25. Now if a dog is called treed before the others strike, the ones not struck in can not receive any points for that cast? Like they have to be leased up?

The first dog called treed starts the clock at 5 mins. If the other dogs don't tree in that time they are out of getting any tree points? Do they have to be leashed up?
If they are called treed and on the same tree at arrival, do all the dogs get the same amount of tree points or is the point system in order of called like strike points?
If their is a coon in the tree all dogs called get + points for strike in their order and + tree points.
If no coon in the tree all dogs on that tree get + on strike and - on tree points? They only get + pts for strike if one of the other dogs has a coon treed? No coon found by the dogs stuck in then - pts for all the dogs called.(I understand that these are good dogs and there is going to be a coon somewhere, I'm just trying to understand when the dogs will get pts and not get pts.)

If all dogs are on separate trees and were struck in before the first call for treed, then the whole cast has to go to the first dog called and shine the tree. Their is a set time that they have to find the coon. (10 mins I think) The tree is scored accordingly and then they leash that dog and move to the second called tree? Follow this procedure until the last tree is scored. The forth dog may have to hold the tree for 40 or 50 mins?

The dog gets a circle around the tree pts if the cast splits on whether their is a coon or not? What does the circle mean?
If the majority says yes it's + pts and no it's - pts.
The delete pts is for when the coon is in refuge and can't be hunted? No gain or penalty for the dogs

Please understand that I am trying to understand the sport. I know only what I have read here and other sites. I don't know anybody that hunts competitively and I am interested in it if I ever get a hound that is accurate. I read a lot about how their is a lot of people getting taken at these hunts by ill handlers or judges not knowing the rules or sticking to them.

Thanks for the help

Joel

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The best thing you could do is go to a local club when their having a hunt and spectate on a cast. It will be a lot easier to understand when you see the scenarios play out in front of you.

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Joel,

Where are you from? I suspect there are coon clubs much closer to you than you would expect.

Mr. Bengala is correct. The best way is actually on a cast. In fact, it will probably take several casts to get the entire picture.

There are some videos I do believe, but videos offer a limited view due the lack of hearing what the dogs are doing when free casted.

Coon hunting whether competition or pleasure is more about the life style and the dogs.

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Union City, PA 30 miles south of Lake Erie.

I have recently communicated with Adam from Watts flatts kennels located near me. Maybe He'll let me hitch along for a couple hunts. Next time I talk to him I'll ask

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JRZ

Check with the Meadville club and the Greenville club, both are in PA and not to far from you. For Ohio Middlefield will be the closest club for you

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Like was said the best way to learn is to spectate on casts...

There is IMO a major learning curve....I spectated on a bunch of casts... Read the rules till I thought I knew them...I had to compete in a bunch of casts till it all really clicked...and still learning years later...


It seems very simple and cut and dry...but its not...lots of different things can and do happen during a hunt...

In your area you have meadville, Greenville, and a little farther Butler, bessmer, beaver falls, Lisbon Ohio, etc...

You can find their hunts under upcoming events...if you don't have a friend that you can ride along with you can probably show up and talk to the guys taking the entries and say that you are interested in possibly spectating on a cast...going with a friend is a big help...that way between drops you can ask questions and talk about the hunt...

As a cast spectator you can't do much except watch and listen and be quiet....but after they call time out you can ask questions and such...

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Like was said the best way to learn is to spectate on casts...

There is IMO a major learning curve....I spectated on a bunch of casts... Read the rules till I thought I knew them...I had to compete in a bunch of casts till it all really clicked...and still learning years later...


It seems very simple and cut and dry...but its not...lots of different things can and do happen during a hunt...

In your area you have meadville, Greenville, and a little farther Butler, bessmer, beaver falls, Lisbon Ohio, etc...

You can find their hunts under upcoming events...if you don't have a friend that you can ride along with you can probably show up and talk to the guys taking the entries and say that you are interested in possibly spectating on a cast...going with a friend is a big help...that way between drops you can ask questions and talk about the hunt...

As a cast spectator you can't do much except watch and listen and be quiet....but after they call time out you can ask questions and such...

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I have recently communicated with Adam from Watts flatts kennels located near me. Maybe He'll let me hitch along for a couple hunts. Next time I talk to him I'll ask

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Yep. You can go to some hunts with me if you like. My 1st hunt of the year is probally gonna be a PKC hunt on the 29th of this month in Franklinville, Ny. When we go pleasure hunting I can help go over the rules with you too.

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Reading the rules and trying to learn ahead of time like you did, it will serve you well down the road. Now when you go spectate it will all start to add up. Lots of guys enter a dog, not ever reading the rules or spectating, then right from the start they think they are getting cheated and give up on the hunts.
I expect after you spectate on 6 or 7 cast's you'll be ready to try handling a dog.
Don't expect to win alot, if you win half your cast's you'll be better than most. In the beginning you'll beat yourself several times.
Just call the dog for what it does, if you loose, then it is the dogs fault. That is the easiest way I have found.

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Profanity is good to know as you learn.

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Reading the rules and trying to learn ahead of time like you did, it will serve you well down the road. Now when you go spectate it will all start to add up. Lots of guys enter a dog, not ever reading the rules or spectating, then right from the start they think they are getting cheated and give up on the hunts.
I expect after you spectate on 6 or 7 cast's you'll be ready to try handling a dog.
Don't expect to win alot, if you win half your cast's you'll be better than most. In the beginning you'll beat yourself several times.
Just call the dog for what it does, if you loose, then it is the dogs fault. That is the easiest way I have found.

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Before I starred competition hunting I read the rules over an and over again to make sure I knew them. I knew my dog every bark he threw so I would be ready for anything.

As long as you know the rules you'll be fine in a hunt because as long as you know the rules then you can't be cheated as what people calls it when they don't know the rules.

Just spectate with a cast first and see if you'll like it and even if the cast don't do no good go on another cast where they tree coons and see how well you'll like it.

If I was you whenever I went with a cast try to stay close with whoever is judging so you'll know everything how it goes and etc.

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read and know the rules then go to your local club lessons are given 25.00 per hunt by your fellow competitors

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It's an event where 5% of the participants know and follow the rules, 45% know the rules but choose to abide only if it benefits them, and remaining 50% don't know the rules but swear they've been cheated after the hunt it over.

Most are lots of fun.

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It's an event where 5% of the participants know and follow the rules, 45% know the rules but choose to abide only if it benefits them, and remaining 50% don't know the rules but swear they've been cheated after the hunt it over.

Most are lots of fun.

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ONE OF THE BEST WAYS WHEN I STARTED COMP, WAS-- FOUR GUYS GET TOGETHER EACH HAVE A DOG OR CUD USE 3 DOGS AND HUNT CALL THEM AND SCORE AS IF YOUR IN A NT, HT, USE THE STOP WATCH AND USE THE RULES REMEBER -- EVERY HUNT DIFFERENT CASES COME UP BUT IF YOU GO BY THE RULES U WILL CATCH WHEN YOU SHUD CALL THE DOG WHEN TO HOLD BACK AND HOW QUICK THRS A LOT OF DO,S AND DONT,S IF YOU RUNNING TIT FOR TAT FOR THE LAST HAVE HR, GOOD LUCK MAN

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