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Both dogs are UKC "PR" registered

I have a gyp from "Hicks Rusty" and "Fourche Maline Suzy".

She come from Leonard Simpson
whelp date of 4/16/2011
She was given the name "Mountain Mama"

I have a male from "McMillans Stonewall Rebel" and "Sterkis Famous Midnight Raven"
Their is a lot of T-Top breeding behind this dog

He come from Tim Eversole
whelp date 7/26/2012
He was given the name "Smith's KY Rebel"

I am looking for information on how the dogs out of these litters are doing in the coon world.

Neither one of mine are doing anything.

I got the gyp a year ago in Dec and worked with her through the summer and early kill season. She tracks as fast as all get out but gets to the tree shuts up and leaves to find another track. When I call her back and shoot the coon out, she gets a mouth full of coon drops it turns her back and kind of shakes. Not terrible but she definitely remembers something traumatizing. She is also quite trashy which we are working with.

I got the male back in Nov. after my gyp flat out refused to do anything with the coons. I thought if I had another dog to run with her she will turn around. He is young, just getting started and is showing great improvement since I got him. He has treed half dozen coons on his own, mostly lay up coon. I have seen him open and run from 380 yards out with his nose in the air and get the coon. He is slow and silent on track. Will open on track when he gets within 40 yrds of tree. His huge downfall is fear. He is afraid of anybody new or sounds when somebody other than me is around. In the woods all that fear goes away and he hunts. It took the first 3 months for him to warm up to me. On the 4th day I had him we tried to hunt with the neighbor and 2 of his dogs. Mine stayed back and would not hunt, (he was afraid of the dogs barking, the other guys, me and my son, maybe?) But when the coon hit the ground he jumped right in there to get a mouth full even with the other dogs. Because of this and my gyp being trashy I run him alone.

So I don't know these dogs' histories as pups. Both dogs are obedient, don't show aggression to other dogs, and love to hunt. Both show great enthusiasm and are good looking dogs.

Do you guys think that the problems I am having are normal and need to be trained out of them?
Are they signs of bad cross in the blood?
Maybe both these dogs have just been traumatized somehow and need to keep working with them?

This is my female


This is my male


Thanks for your help

Joel

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I've got a litter mate to your gyp and used to own another one,they are both decent tree dogs. Mike Mathews owned the dam of these pups ,he has a male out of this cross that is supposed to be a tree dog out of this world. I know one thing the ones I've seen out of this cross are loud .

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Originally posted by osimpson4
I've got a litter mate to your gyp and used to own another one,they are both decent tree dogs. Mike Mathews owned the dam of these pups ,he has a male out of this cross that is supposed to be a tree dog out of this world. I know one thing the ones I've seen out of this cross are loud .

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THE FEMALE YOU HAVE CAME OFF OF A FEMALE MIKE MATHEWS BRED TO MY RUSTY DOG,I HAVE HUNTED WITH THE MALE MIKE HAS AND THE FEMALE HE HAS,THE MALE HAS 2ND AND 3RD PLACE WINS IN UKC,AND HE IS A TOP END COONDOG,THE FEMALE IS A PRETTY NICE DOG ALSO,WHAT I HAVE SEEN OUT OF THIS LITTER ARE LOUD,HARD TREEDOGS,SO I THINK WHAT THIS FEMALE HAS WRONG WITH HER IS MAN MADE,I WOULD NOT WORRY ABOUT BRAKING HER OFF GAME SHE TREES ON UNTIL SHE TREE'S ON A COON WRIGHT,A STRAIGHT DOG THAT DOES NOT TREE WILL NOT DO YOU ANY GOOD,A TREEDOG THAT IS TRASHY YOU CAN FIX.GIVE ME A CALL AT 918-752-7560,I WILL HELP YOU ANYWAY I CAN,I HAVE FIXED A LOT OF PROBLEMS IN YOUNG DOGS OVER THE YEARS AND THEY WENT ON TO BE TITLED DOGS.

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Have you tried putting a coon up in a tree and see if your female will tree on it when she can see it? You don't want to get them use to treeing by sight, but when I train young dogs some will start by tracking first and some will start by treeing first. If I have a young dog that's working tracks, but won't tree or stay treed I stay close to them when their tracking and keep looking in the trees for the coon their trailing. If you see the coon wait for the dog to work the track to the tree and catch them and tie them to that tree as soon as they do. Try to get them to smell the tree as much as possible and pet them up and try and get them excited about it. Then tie them back off the tree a little ways and shoot the coon down. DON'T let them have it. Take the coon and prop it back up in the tree it was in or any tree close to that area that you can get it in out of reach of the dog. Let the dog go and tree on that coon and pet them up. If they do a good job treeing on it then let them chew it a little. Keep in mind that sometimes not letting your dog chew on a coon can benefit them more then letting them. Your young male sounds like he just needs more experience. Has for running trash you'll probally gonna need a shock collar. If their running deer go out and find deer out in a field take your dog and put them on their fresh tracks. If they start running it, light them up until they stop. After doing this take them to your best coon spot and try and get them on a good coon track and praise them when they run it. This technique will work whether your breaking them off deer, opossum or whatever. Just make sure their running junk before you shock them. By spotting the animal you want to break them off, then putting them on it will eliminate wondering what their running. Tempt them to do wrong, correct them, then show them what their supposed to be running.
We'll talk more when we get together to go hunting. Feel free to ask me anything you want though.

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Thanks Adam

Monday night I had just the male and I did get to see a deer cross the road. I took him out and let him go. He sniffed around and didn't even try to run. He then loaded back up verbally and away we went. Last night while I was texting you we were in heavy deer bed and tracks. He stayed right with following the coon tracks, just not fast or efficiently and never did find the tree. I do have shock collars and we have gone "deer hunting" with both dogs. He really only gets trashy when with my gyp, so she doesn't get to go very often.

Last summer I had let a coon go out of a cage while she watched. It ran up the first tree and hung on about 10 foot up. This was in the day light and she just would not even look at the tree. She knows what a coon is and is just simply terrified of them. Now last night I had brought a coon home with me that I got in one of my box traps. My gyp jumped up on the truck when I pulled in the garage. My male started barking as soon as he got out.(yeah they ride shotgun up front) It woke the wife up she was not happy! I took it out and put it in trusses of my wood shed and let them out. He found it in seconds and just opened up, then she started. She climbed up to the highest pile and stuck her nose up in the trusses and was barking.(not the best tree bark that I had heard out of her but none the less barking) I am hoping that his influence on the tree will get her motivated and she can show him how to track. I just have a lot of work getting her straight.

It's all good, I really do enjoy having these dogs show positive momentum. Even if he didn't bark last night I still had a good night of him staying with looking for the coon and not taking the easy track of deer. I know as soon as the snow is off he is going to improve a lot better with just more coon on the ground, it is just harder for me to tell if it is trash. I only found 2 tracks last night. 1 of them he jumped right into the creek after and swam across. I called him back as their was no way I could get over there. The second one I was disappointed, I thought he would find it. That is what patience is for right?

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