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What hound throws hard tree dogs maybe even to hard?

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Nobody knows of a dog throwing hard tree dogs? I like red bones but everyone ive had lacked tree power any help would be apreciated.

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My Trimmer dog is a very hard tree dog, maybe to hard. Although I dont know what kind of pups he is going to throw. He's only been bred twice and the pups arent old enough to know yet. I have a couple other real nice females ready to breed to him as soon as they come in.

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My Trimmer dog is a very hard tree dog, maybe to hard. Although I dont know what kind of pups he is going to throw. He's only been bred twice and the pups arent old enough to know yet. I have a couple other real nice females ready to breed to him as soon as they come in.

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What hound throws hard tree dogs maybe even to hard?

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When Trimmer trees, his mouth chokes down and he trees with both front feet up on the tree and he puts alot of power behind it. Thats the best way I can think to describe it. Louisa Ky is located 20 miles south of I64 right before you cross over into West Virgina. We are about 30 minutes from Ashland Ky and 45 minutes from Huntington WV. He's here any night you want to go with him. Im supposed to be going up next weekend to hunt with Butch Roeder and Butterbean. Its possible I might be able to hunt with you next Sunday night if you live close to that area and have a place or two we could kick em. Just let me know.

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Larry, I think that he is looking for a dog that gets treed too quick and is not very accurate. This not a trait that Redbones are known for. Redbones are usually known for being very accurate but not as fast to get treed as some other breeds. Most people that want a very quick tree dog just stick with one of the breeds that are known for this. But some have tried to breed more quickness into their Redbones. A lot of people think that, "you can train/take some of the tree out but you can not train/put it in". It has to be bred in. A lot of people think that you need to take a track driving very accurate dog and breed it to a very quick tree dog in order to get a balanced pup. Sometimes this works and sometimes it doesn't. But if you are hunting dogs or a line of dogs that is more track minded, then it usually helps to add some more tree minded blood. I have heard that the reason that the Rusty X Zack cross worked so well was that Rusty put the track in and Zack put the tree. It takes two to Tango. You would have to breed a tree minded stud to a tree minded female to get tree minded pups. But, I don't think that you will get anyone to admit that their Redbone is too tree minded. You will just have to hunt with a bunch of them and come to your own conclusions.

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When I say to hard I mean . Pulling up like a walker.. Picking trees.. And no im not looking for one that does this...but ill take one verses having one that dont tree..

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Im just trying to find a line that throws tree power they all say they do, but I wanted to see what the majority says

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When I think of a hard tree dog to me that is a dog that spits out a high number of barks per minute not a dog that trees quick.

I am gonna use my dirty joe dog as an example,

Joe is not a hard tree dog, but he is tree minded. I would say he is an average tree dog with that said,

He is quick on track, and super quick to find the tree I am talking about drive the track make it climb and slam it NOW!!!!!!!

But also extremely accurate and I would say at his best he maybe 75 to 80 bpm but in 10 trees he probly gonna average closer to 60 bmp.

They dont make them that can find the tree with accuracy any quicker than what he does or if they do I have never seen one but he is far from a hard tree dog or /slick tree'er

My buddy's dog like I described up top, He had a lot of problems trying to keep his guts in him because he treed so hard, he would actually tree his guts out. He wasnt a dog that could find the tree quick but he was a super hard tree dog.

BJENKS I am probly about 4oo mile from you one way!!!

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Larry, that tree burning Moses dog has, more than once, treed so hard that he overheated... Could that be too hard? He is out of pepper and... Uhm, I don't remember what female but that ugly sucker made an impression on me when I was younger that it stuck that well lol

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Im trying to buy one...willing tp pay a good peny for one that suites me...if yall have something you might want to sell for the right price let me know.. I comp hunt alot... I would love to grand a red bone out.. Any help finding a nice hound would be apreciated.

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Im trying to buy one...willing tp pay a good peny for one that suites me...if yall have something you might want to sell for the right price let me know.. I comp hunt alot... I would love to grand a red bone out.. Any help finding a nice hound would be apreciated.

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I've hunted with a lot of steveo pups. They have a lot of tree bred in them. Guess that's the zack coming out. They are lock down stay put and are competitive. Also hard that the Banjo line has lots of drive and desire to get treed.

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When I started, a good hard treeing red dog was the exception. From my observations now, a red dog that doesn't tree is the exception.

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I can't speak for other breeds but I know of several Redbones that have died, had strokes, etc.. at the tree down here when it's hot. If you get one knocking over about 80 bpm seems to be the number then if it's out in the heat and humidity down here chances are you're going to have problems. JS
Glad you found a hound plenty that will tree now main thing is hunting them and time for some of them. Some start looking right at 2 like many use to but now days alot can keep up with any breeds on starting age.

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