Registered: Sep 2007
Location: Anza, Ca.
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I have a beautiful blue/silver/weimeraner colored female hound that was the result of a brother-sister cross of the Desperado line of redbone coonhounds. If you didn't see the discussion(argument) ad nauseum on the redbone site, this is the result of a recessive color gene. Apparently is found in some Walker hounds as well. It seemed to be a worthwhile effort to develop a line of silver hounds, so I picked this dog up and transported her across the country. A friend had planned to take her, I was going to get a male from a walker guy who said he had it strong in his line. My friend moved,had to cut down on her dogs. The guy with the blue producing walker said he lost her and was trying to get a related one. I kept this dog with the project on the back burner...she jumped out of a stock trailer we had her confined in during her heat cycle and got bred to one of my redbone males. She has a beautiful blue female pup and 2 gorgeous male red pups. These are purebred redbones(excellent show and hunting lines) I anticipate little trouble selling them here, but I wonder if anyone else is interested in this undertaking. Starting a line (almost a new breed) is an ambitious undertaking that would be easier to do with other people involved...had planned to call them Moonsound Coonhounds. I'll share these if anyone is interested....email barrie.cvranch@gmail.com

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if these is the kind of dogs you like if they arent red in color i wouldn't have 1 i love my red dogs and if they don't meet breed standard i would cull them but thats me i rember the post about the silver colored pups

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Back in the 60's a friend of mine bred a grand show ch. B&T female to his B&T male, both reg dogs and had 2 silver pups in the litter. He kept them but never reg them. Back then there were grade shows and hunts and he would show them in the grade shows. They were a couple of outstanding looking dogs,won every grade show he entered. Don't remember what happened to them, neither one made a coondog.

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Originally posted by hillbilly56
if these is the kind of dogs you like if they arent red in color i wouldn't have 1 i love my red dogs and if they don't meet breed standard i would cull them but thats me i rember the post about the silver colored pups

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Registered: Sep 2007
Location: Anza, Ca.
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P.S. Luck is important!!!

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Location: HUNTERS HAVEN, WV
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Do you have any pictures of them?

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Location: Ct.
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I hate to bust your bubble = { BUT } if you bred those two gray / silver dogs together , I would bet that they would NOT eaven have one pup that color

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Same as with pitbulls but now people are breeding for it causing alot of skin issues. We had one dog that was slate blue, which was just a lil darker.

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people have done this with doberman pinschers. you might want to look into that. It won't be easy to find much diverse foundation stock.

That said, you might want to look into the "Maltese" plotts. They can be that weimariner/ghost color, although its typically a slightly different shade.

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Here's what ya have if it's a genetic color variant as some claim then theorectically you could breed enough of these together but with a pretty small gene pool since there aren't tons of them and get this color to show up with some consistentcy the trouble is you need plenty of outside blood that carries those same traits to continue the line after putting in all this hard work so you don't end up with the I'm my own grandpa scenario. So you really need at min two people trying to do this using certain hounds at different times than you're own.
Now the other option which I know for a fact is the case on some of these is that it's a seperate breed that was mixed in for tree like many bird dogs through the years have been. If that's the case the more you try to breed for it the less likely it will show up becuase you have tons of Redbone blood bred to a bunch of random weimeraimers likely with no relation other than being the same breed. It'd be kinda like trying to take all the Redbones with known Walker blood in them and getting them to produce all Walker looking puppies.
Good luck in your efforts as I am interested to see what it turns up. Hopefully, you can pull it off proving it's a deluted color gene proving what I expect is the case wrong. Time and patience will tell.

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Breeding for color is what set this breed back before. Why would you want to do that again? There are plenty of useless breeds in the world so why take your redbones in that direction? This is nothing but my opinion but the redbone is a working/hunting dog and that's what a responsible breeder should focus on. Breeding just to sell pups is never a good approach to bettering any breed. There are breed standards and knowingly breeding dogs that don't meet that standard trying to produce a certain color is in no way trying to improve the breed. Breeding based on ability is what makes good dogs and even then it can be a crap shoot. How many times a week do you hunt your dogs? What do you hunt? What kind of mouth do your dogs have? What type of tree dogs do you have? Are your dogs hot or cold nosed? What type of track dogs are they? Are they prone to be trashy or are they fairly straight by nature? There are many factors that should be considered when making a cross. One of them is does a dog meet breed standards and in this case the answer would be no. Should be reason enough. If people would cull the culls instead of trying to make the breed standards change to fit their own needs we could focus on the most important thing ABILITY.

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