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Which of the following would be the NUMBER ONE reason you would breed your good female to a particular stud?

A. Likely commercial appeal of stud.
B. Pedigree compatibility on paper.
C. Physical type complements female's type.
D. Stud’s reputation regarding type he sires (physical/performance/ temperament)
E. Service fee
F. Similar crosses have nicked
G. Performance style and traits are compatible with dam
H. Like his looks
I. Proximity to stud
J. Stud's hunt wins and titles
K. Cross would be Linebred
L. Just have a feeling
M. Stud has one particular trait you are looking for.
N. Other

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B-paper breeding has its good points-but up to now it isnt working

F-I would hope there has been a similar cross that worked or its a high risk gamble.

O- as in, can the stud throw his likness or better?-female has a large -large part also but if the stud cant win big hunts-if you are breeding for a winner type...how are you going to improve if the stud cant win big hunts...and the female better be a good quality also.


No one has all the answers although some try to create an illision that they do...but yet they have failed to save the breed as they try to claim...there are many good lines and good breeders not blowing smoke that have lines of big hunt winners that THEY are not the only ones to make em.A lot of info has to be gained to make better decisions but like many top breeders have told me.... kool aid to kool aid hasnt brought breeds to the top.

Good luck in whatever you choose to do.

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He has to be from a high % cross

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I myself believe in breeding brains to brains and hope for the best

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The female is the reproducer, a good female will make any male a reproducer.

Stud dogs are way over rated

Breeding papers is CRAZY!!!!!!!!

See the dog in the woods multiple times and hopefully see his offspring in the woods.

All the rest doesnt amount to a hill of BEANS

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Find a good hound that has got top characteristics that comes from a line of reproducers. Make sure he is all coondog, that he can tree a coon with or without company consistantly. What most real breeders have found in the last 25 years is many of the top reproducers of coondogs have been line bred. Make sure you have a good female to breed to that stud. Then breed that good female to that good stud! Again, It seems that the best results are coming from being line bred close. Finally, don`t be close minded, sometimes things work differently than what everyone thinks.

Not sure if we can place one certain characteristic at the top!

Thanks John Dell

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Originally posted by tylerman
B-paper breeding has its good points-but up to now it isnt working

F-I would hope there has been a similar cross that worked or its a high risk gamble.

O- as in, can the stud throw his likness or better?-female has a large -large part also but if the stud cant win big hunts-if you are breeding for a winner type...how are you going to improve if the stud cant win big hunts...and the female better be a good quality also.


No one has all the answers although some try to create an illision that they do...but yet they have failed to save the breed as they try to claim...there are many good lines and good breeders not blowing smoke that have lines of big hunt winners that THEY are not the only ones to make em.A lot of info has to be gained to make better decisions but like many top breeders have told me.... kool aid to kool aid hasnt brought breeds to the top

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LOL......illusions?
By the way, another Billy the Kid pup got its first last night with 700+
Not bad for an Illusion....eh? Some people just refuse to accept the success of others who are putting in long hours and hard work with their dogs. I had a plan when I got back into hunting and my plan is working and getting me closer and closer to my goals with redbones. I gave up trying to convince the critics who I never see at the entry table every weekend when I am entering my dogs. I select a stud using a variety of factors....most of which would fall under D,G,J, and most of the time K. The more homework you do before you breed or buy a pup....the better the end result will be. Be careful what you read on this board....some people talk....and others walk the walk. Its up to you to figure out which kind will help your program the most.....Shane
Good luck in whatever you choose to do.

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These are close. Sorry I could not pick "one". I also could not resist commenting on such a great subject. Sorry again:-).
D. Stud’s reputation regarding type he sires (physical/performance/ temperament)
F. Similar crosses have "Clicked". (Changed this one)
G. Performance style and traits are compatible with dam
J. Stud's hunt wins and titles
M. Stud has one particular trait you are looking for.
B. Pedigree compatibility on paper.

Reading all of the comments on this post, I find myself agreeing
with most all of them. Lots of good points.

What John Dell says is so true, I agree totally. Only problem is, when in this mind set, you are walking on the edge of a thin line. On the other side of that line is "close minded". It is easy to get focused on one line or family within a breed. Then you keep doing the same thing over and over and hope for different results. I've done it, will probably do it again and see many others doing it too.
This is a hobby for most of us. I wonder if we had to make our living breeding and hunting Redbone coondogs how we might do things different. Just something to think about.

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I use 3 simple rules when breeding dogs.


1. Breed for the traits you want or your looking for.

2. Cull the culls. This is a dog that will not run and tree.

3. Breed to a better dog that's on your lead strap or one that will help you to be hunting one off it.


To many people try to make to huge of leaps and in return results in inconsistency in traits. This is just my opinion.

Big winner to big winner??????


Male dog is a big nite hunt winner he is a wide hunting hot nosed tree jammer.

Female dog is a big nite hunt winner she is quick to strike cold nosed track driver and a nice tree dog.

Are these pups going to be big nite hunt winners, what traits will these pup really have. My bet Is a very mixed bag.

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I think I have a lot of #1 requirements a stud has to meet before I will consider them. I won't put too much emphesis on any one thing because I'll be looking for that whole package. From high-percentage crosses with top-reproducers and traits that match the female I'll be breeding to them making up a little where my female may be lacking a little and never breeding dogs with similar faults, etc. etc. etc. The list goes on and on.
One thing is for sure though. The studs owners "traits" will not be a factor in anyway. I think way to many people are "close minded" themselves for not considering a dog because of if they "like" the owner or not.

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I'm like daren, I agree with much of what has been posted. If I am going to choose a stud then he needs to be a good coondog first, not mean and easy to get along with. I will do what seems to make sense to me.

Lets be honest though, money is always a factor, not for some but for most. Whether its distance or the stud fee, it is usually a factor. I completely understand that too, it's a tough economy.

Folks look at titles to......they just do and that's fine.

The stud portion of our sport is pretty unforgiving. If a person breeds their mediocre or good female and the pups don't turn out.....it's always the studs fault.....if the pups do turn out....the female is the hero. It takes two fellas...
I'm sure most folks have stories about that one.
The last is my personal opinion, stud owners need to stick with their own guidelines for breeding a female and female owners need to not breed a female that isn't a solid cooner.
I won't breed to a mean female.....had a great bred female come in to Haze a while back....would have complimented him very well. The second day she was here, she tried to bite ME. That was it....owner was called and he came a couple days later to pick her up, I was nice about it and he apologized and went his way.
Also, don't advertise that you will only breed to solid cooners then turn around and breed females that are not, no matter the pedigree. If you believe that the female plays a large part then why breed to one you know isn't a coondog?

Well, I'm just rambling tonight cause I can't sleep since my sinuses have decided to go nuts. Good huntin guys.

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What about the female he was out of. A reporducing studs maternal lineage is as important as anything. .
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hey guys I am a newcomer so im for sure no breeder but I know a few.so here is my take.as I have only been in 6 hunts ,I have had by far and away the best hound in every cast and although I do have a well breed dog. I have noticed that the guys that put the work in [hunt their dogs] have the best dogs,so how many bloodlines out their really has what it takes but just never have the chance to really prove themselves,especially if a certain cross is made and no pups out of said cross is put in comp. hunts,so I would say the best chance of a good cross is [talk to guys who hunt at least 3 nights a week] these guys know what their talkin about

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quote:

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Originally posted by Larry D Walker
The female is the reproducer, a good female will make any male a reproducer.

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favorits ive hunted and or owned
grnt nighty nite moonlight kate rip
grnt moonlight pepper ann
Grnt jackpot Jackie rip
grnt rocky top jet
ntch moonlight katie rip
ntch moonlight madona
ntch beaver creek blaze rip
ntch moonlights dirty danny b.rip (ntch moonlight kink x ntch sawblade reckon)
Current
Grnt moonlight ky Kate (grnt ranger x grnt moonlight Kate
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Still fun to read back over these older threads and see how perceptions have or have not changed...

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Dual Gr.Ch.- PKC Ch. Outlaw Timber Girl
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