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Okay so I have a pup that is 14 months old...He was doing it all alone by prob 11 months, and was accurate..Treed prob 20 coons in a row before he slick treed, then treed several more before slick treeing again. He was a yr old treeing ahead of seasoned accurate dogs with coons, taking tracks old dogs bogged down on, lining them out and treeing with the coon while the old dog was still trying to figure the track out, also split treeing from old dog several times with the coon. Now all the sudden he is missing more and more. I dont get it...I havent petted him up on the tree except the 1st few times he treed..I havent shot a bunch of coons to him....Could it just be he is trying to adapt to different type of tracks since the weather is changing? I went through a spell where I was getting pups that would barely tree at all, but when they did they had a coon...Then I got this pup that gets treed every drop, and would would have a coon, but now all the sudden he is missing...Could it be age, conditions, weather? I am looking for input. Nothing has changed about the dog except he has become less accurate as he is getting older.

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i have one that was doing same thing a few months ago... shooting coon out to him fixed it...... contrary to popular belief

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I was thinking the samething, but now the boat im in is he isnt treeing any coon for me to shoot out. ha..Pure frustration.

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i have one that was doing same thing a few months ago... shooting coon out to him fixed it...... contrary to popular belief

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through the exact same thing. When the leaves were off and he could tell he was slick as fast as he could tell he pulled him off the tree and switched him with a keen switch and scolded him and sent him on and told him to find him. He also hunted him with a real good old dog that was very accurate and most of the time she went on and he could tell almost immediately and scolded him and sent him on. He got fixed fairly quickly with that process.
good luck. I know its frustrating.

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He will prob be fine put him down off them trees. Here in Ms dogs have been lookin bad it all the acorns coon not movin good up and down trees cutting all the acorns they want happens every year

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feeding coons can be tough on a young dog because they dont check trees as much switch lightly and send them on ,and when they tree one nock it out this is what works forme

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always thought all good pups started like that, usually you can nitech them when they first start lol. most pups dont know how to lie and are very accurate just as you described. you mentioned treeing a head of old dogs? they may be your problem, at 14 months old it needs to be you and him everytime. if he is missing that much he has the tree in him and a switch will not take it away but can sure make him think about it and figure things out. All dogs are different and the majority look better during a certain time of the year (summer, spring fall or winter) as the game is operating different also. if you get one thats good during all the seasons you have something special...........course everyone has 2-3 of them on the INTRANET

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when do they rut up north? down here they start running and looking in december. when the "pre-rut" kicks off them ole boars start checking every den tree they can get to in a night, young hounds have trouble for a bit if its their first season. at 14 months it has to be

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My pup is hunted 99% of the time by himself, just me and him...I have turned him loose with my old dog just to get her out, because i can tell it kills her when i leave her...Also wanted to make sure there were no problems in regards to my pup treeing with other dogs, me tooing, jealous treeing, gauging his indepdence, ect...But most of the time its me and the pup....Coons usually dont start rutting here until around Jan I do believe. Im starting to wonder if my pup is treeing squirrels....I hunted him last night, and stayed close to him to try to see what he was doing....Looks like he is checking some trees and getting down and moving on some, checking another one, ect.....He also located on a few of them, and moved on as well, which is not something he has done in the past....He treed on a den last night, but it also had a big squirrels nest in it...So im wondering if he is liking them bushy tails. My old dog I can usually tell when she is slick treed because she doesnt tree as good...My pup blows trees with coon and slicks down, he acts like he is confident, but he has struggled the last few trips to the woods.

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when do they rut up north? down here they start running and looking in december. when the "pre-rut" kicks off them ole boars start checking every den tree they can get to in a night, young hounds have trouble for a bit if its their first season. at 14 months it has to be

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the most naturally honest time in a dogs life is when they are just starting..... your pup should know the game now. if the slicks keep up it shows you the fun is wearing off and they are treeing coon for themselves....teach her shes treeing coon for you.


aside from that she may be doing a little back tracking . crack down on those slicks pretty heavy and praise her good when shes got the coon . oh and don't forget to feed her plenty

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We have a few spots around here with a ton of flying squirrels. I have actually seen flying squirrels taunt dogs running up and down trees in front of them. They sure can garb the attention of a young dog.

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About every young dog worth his salt that I ever hunted went through a slump of some kind. The weather is changing, the kittens are breaking up, it all new to a green dog. Lay him up for a month, then start him back out slow, and I wouldn't hunt him entirely by himself, switch it up, hunt with an accurate old dog and by himself as well. This gives him a chance to tree or split. Tom

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Another man suggested laying him up as well....But here is my dilema with laying him up....I have to get a torn ligament in my knee operated on Nov 25th, so he will already be laid up at that time for 6 weeks...If I lay him up now, it will end up being a 2 and a half month lay up for him.

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About every young dog worth his salt that I ever hunted went through a slump of some kind. The weather is changing, the kittens are breaking up, it all new to a green dog. Lay him up for a month, then start him back out slow, and I wouldn't hunt him entirely by himself, switch it up, hunt with an accurate old dog and by himself as well. This gives him a chance to tree or split. Tom

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Okay so I have a pup that is 14 months old...He was doing it all alone by prob 11 months, and was accurate..Treed prob 20 coons in a row before he slick treed, then treed several more before slick treeing again. He was a yr old treeing ahead of seasoned accurate dogs with coons, taking tracks old dogs bogged down on, lining them out and treeing with the coon while the old dog was still trying to figure the track out, also split treeing from old dog several times with the coon. Now all the sudden he is missing more and more. I dont get it...I havent petted him up on the tree except the 1st few times he treed..I havent shot a bunch of coons to him....Could it just be he is trying to adapt to different type of tracks since the weather is changing? I went through a spell where I was getting pups that would barely tree at all, but when they did they had a coon...Then I got this pup that gets treed every drop, and would would have a coon, but now all the sudden he is missing...Could it be age, conditions, weather? I am looking for input. Nothing has changed about the dog except he has become less accurate as he is getting older.

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We have a few spots around here with a ton of flying squirrels. I have actually seen flying squirrels taunt dogs running up and down trees in front of them. They sure can garb the attention of a young dog.

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I read an article from John Wick and he was saying one of his dogs went to treeing mice for a spell. I have seen tons of mice in the woods recently.

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ive done it, sometimes it may be better i dont really know. I always thought a man should atleast try to hunt them through it, if you lay them up will they do the same thing next year at this time?

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Is this hound slicking on just oaks or all differant types off trees?Some young dogs I've seen would tree were the coon was and not check the tree good enough to realize the coon went on.Coons sure do like to travel through them oaks.

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I wouldn't be too tough on him or her I would get you a green switch and switch them lightly and get them to go on and take the track out of there. with a young dog I try to never just leash them up off a slick tree and out them up I want them to take that track out of there and tree it.

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It ain't mice. It ain't squirrels or flying squirrels. Those are all just excuses for missing. Yeah I've used em. Like said before. Most all start out treeing coon but they are bred to tree dogs. They like it. Learn to love. Puts some kind of chemical off to their brain. Thing you gotta do is take some of that treeing out of it. Its not gonna be a over night fix. May never fix it. Takes a lot of work.

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So what do you suggest? Also, what sort of information do you have that backs up the statement that it puts endorphines off to their brain? Not saying your wrong, would just like to know where I can find out more about that.

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It ain't mice. It ain't squirrels or flying squirrels. Those are all just excuses for missing. Yeah I've used em. Like said before. Most all start out treeing coon but they are bred to tree dogs. They like it. Learn to love. Puts some kind of chemical off to their brain. Thing you gotta do is take some of that treeing out of it. Its not gonna be a over night fix. May never fix it. Takes a lot of work.

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So what do you suggest? Also, what sort of information do you have that backs up the statement that it puts endorphines off to their brain? Not saying your wrong, would just like to know where I can find out more about that.

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Is he slicking on the same type of trees or are they all different types?
Are there any big cornfields left out there? If so cut him in them. This way there is a good chance he has to run some sort of track to a tree. Try not to make it so easy where he can just go in there and slam one.

I couldn't tell you what's wrong without hunting with the dog and I probably couldn't help then either

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for what little ive seen dogs are the most accurate when there just start to treeing their own coon,if they aint accurate then i doubt they ever will be.as a dog gets a little older they will start to tackling tougher tracks and will miss more.i have a dog here did the same thing your dog is doing now,i kept on hunting her as hard as i could and when she missed i would flat out scold her and send her own.she got were she was accurate after a while of doing this.ive always bonded with my dog and fussing at her worked better then switching her.when you bond with a dog they will wanna please you, of course if a dog is bred to tree slick there aint a whole lot you can do.

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