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If a dog is turned loose and is gone say 10-15 minutes and then returns back without opening is that a "Failed to go hunting" fault? Basically I'm asking if it was clear the dog went out and didn't hit a track, then checked back in should it receive a fault? What if it opened once or twice then checked back in after some time had passed? In what instances other than the hound milling around in front of you or hiding close by could you fault it for not hunting. And just cause a hound opens and returns doesn't mean it failed to hunt, it could have been a old bad track that went no where, and there was no other tracks around.

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The hound goes hunting, opened on track, treed and stayed tree, but no coon is seen. Clearly it's a den tree or what would be considered a circle tree in a night hunt do you give it a fault. Or do you just start a new track with out giving it a fault?

These are the two most often asked questions we have ran into, and the answers are not in the rules. I think nether is a fault, and you leash the dog and start a new track.

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id say it would have to be considered a fault, maybe there was one in a den but if its not seen how can you prove it was there??

as for the first ones IMO if the dog legit goes hunting and doesn't strike a track move on no fault considered, as far as goin hunting opening and then coming back im pretty sure it says in the rules that its a fault for "quitting track" but don't hold me to it.

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if its a den u have to give dog benifit of the dout same as a nite hunt... u cant fault a dog for treeing a den.. u wouldnt minus a den in a night hunt.. u would consider the track finished an move on... u would write den tree in spot marked notes... as for the dog going out 10 or 15 minutes an not saying nothing thats not a fault either... he didnt do nothing to fault him for.. u just move on cus there is nothing to write down except that you used 15 minutes of hunt.. as for opening up then coming back.. yes that is a fualt,, he or she quit the track they struck on...

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I've heard it argued both ways, maybe someone from UKC will weigh in with the "Offical" answer.

And what happend to the receipts for a pass. I heard about them a while back, but haven't seen were to get'em.

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The receipts are on the home page under HTX Forms.

If you look at the Hunt Test evaluation form it would not be a fault for a den tree or a tree that could have a coon but due to leafs and or not being able to shine you cant find it. Slick Tree is a fault though and in my opinion this is where as a handler and or inspector you need to be honest with yourself about it and judge it accordingly.

The Hunting question, as long as the dog goes hunting wether that be 10 minutes or an hour that should be considered as a check mark in the requirements box. if the dog opens up and then comes back it should be givin 1 fault for quiting track.

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Oh, my. I never heard these questions raised until Fri. night. These hunt test rules are obviously based on what a dog should and shouldn't do according to nite hunt rules. So, with that in mind:

1. In a nite hunt, dogs don't get minused for coming in, if they aren't struck in. They can get scratched for not hunting, but in that case they must basically stand with the cast for a period of time.

In the HTX Fri. night that this question was based on, the dog went hunting and didn't strike. She only came in when she was CALLED in and time out was applied. How can that be a fault? If anything she ought to get extra credit for coming when called.

2. In nite hunts, circle trees are circled because its not known whether a coon is there or not. It counts neither for or against a dog.

In the HTX Fri. night, the dog worked a track and treed in a terrible viney mess next to a cornfield. There could have been 6 coons up there. Or, zero. Its a no brainer, circle tree if I ever saw one.

If we're going to pick things apart, lets also point out she treed 2 single coons, hunted the full hour, and passed.

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Oh, my. I never heard these questions raised until Fri. night. These hunt test rules are obviously based on what a dog should and shouldn't do according to nite hunt rules. So, with that in mind:

1. In a nite hunt, dogs don't get minused for coming in, if they aren't struck in. They can get scratched for not hunting, but in that case they must basically stand with the cast for a period of time.

In the HTX Fri. night that this question was based on, the dog went hunting and didn't strike. She only came in when she was CALLED in and time out was applied. How can that be a fault? If anything she ought to get extra credit for coming when called.

2. In nite hunts, circle trees are circled because its not known whether a coon is there or not. It counts neither for or against a dog.

In the HTX Fri. night, the dog worked a track and treed in a terrible viney mess next to a cornfield. There could have been 6 coons up there. Or, zero. Its a no brainer, circle tree if I ever saw one.

If we're going to pick things apart, lets also point out she treed 2 single coons, hunted the full hour, and passed.

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John very well said I think you answered their questions

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i made a mistake with the faulting for treeing on a den, i apologize i just read the rules off the site and it only says it will recieve credit if coon is seen.

Congrats to said dog and there handler/owner...

i for one enjoy the htx hunts and wish there were more closer to home. good luck in the future

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And don't forget, the dog has to hunt for the full hour. If you strike and tree a coon in the first 10 minutes, the hunt is not over. The dog could still demonstrate 2 faults in the remaining 50 minutes to cause him to fail.
Our local club was doing this for a while, hunting the dog 15 minutes, treeing a coon, then giving a pass without hunting the other 45 minutes. I think they just did not clearly understand the rules!

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If a dog is turned loose and is gone say 10-15 minutes and then returns back without opening is that a "Failed to go hunting" fault? Basically I'm asking if it was clear the dog went out and didn't hit a track, then checked back in should it receive a fault? What if it opened once or twice then checked back in after some time had passed? In what instances other than the hound milling around in front of you or hiding close by could you fault it for not hunting. And just cause a hound opens and returns doesn't mean it failed to hunt, it could have been a old bad track that went no where, and there was no other tracks around.

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The hound goes hunting, opened on track, treed and stayed tree, but no coon is seen. Clearly it's a den tree or what would be considered a circle tree in a night hunt do you give it a fault. Or do you just start a new track with out giving it a fault?

These are the two most often asked questions we have ran into, and the answers are not in the rules. I think nether is a fault, and you leash the dog and start a new track.

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I've participated in a lot of hunt tests and I've always wondered if a dog barks 1 or 2 times, is that considered a track. I haven't had it happen yet where a dog just barked one or two times, but if they did, and then came back or the 8 got them, would that be a fault?

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I would say if they open then that is them starting a track. Now from what I have seen and read there is no eight in the HTX.

To me if the dog goes out and tries to find a track then it went hunting. So there would be no faults. Now if the dog went out started trailing and then came back then it quit the track and that would be a fault.

A den tree is not a fault. You would take timeout and go to next area. I guess if by some odd chance you treed all den tree's it would not be a pass but as long as the dog done what it should it would not have faults either.

the advisor has alot of good FAQ's on it as well as good info.

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better reread the rules. there is a eight min. rule for htx hunts. I don't like the fact that there is no rule for barking once treed. besides running the eight on them. or can you just go to them by using the garmin.

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I do stand corrected.

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