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I've used Bayer Tree & Shrub on my dogs 9 to 10, years now, i've had two females die of cancer at 9 years of age. I looked up flea killers on the computer, one site said, none of the top flea killers was safe for dogs, they all cause organ damage, nerve system damage, , etc, the lady's name who wrote the article, is Kathleen Dudley, it listed a number to subcribe 800-829-9165. The chemical companys, are makeing billions of dollars, from this stuff. I know of five big strapping men, all died from cancer, none smoked, all used chemicals on the farm, that's the only thing they had in common. The article said, that the inactive ingredents, in the spot on flea, killers, can be more poisonous, than the active ingredents, which kill fleas. It listed some natural flea killers such as table salt and bakeing powder, borax, in the boxs, borax is poisonous too, but it will kill fleas.

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I've been using Bayer Tree and Shrub for several years now with no problems at all.I use it on a 14 year old bitch and my vet can't believe how healthy she is for her age.I still use her as a pup trainer and she can go every night if I want her too.She raised a healthy litter of 9 pups at 12 years old.
All chemicals can be harmful if used in excess.If you use T&R be careful of how much you use.

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EPA Restricting Spot Drop Immediately To
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EPA Pesticide Program Updates
from EPA's Office of Pesticide Programs 03/17/2010
http://www.epa.gov/pesticides
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IN THIS UPDATE:

EPA to Increase Restrictions on Flea and Tick Products (News Release)

Cautions consumers to use products with extra care

WASHINGTON - Due to a significant increase in adverse incidents, the U.S.


Environmental Protection Agency is taking a series of actions to increase the safety of spot-on pesticide products

for flea and tick control for cats and dogs. Immediately, EPA will begin reviewing labels to determine which ones need stronger and clearer labeling statements. Next, EPA will develop more stringent testing and evaluation requirements for both existing and new products. EPA expects these steps will help prevent adverse reactions. In dogs and cats that can include skin effects, such as irritation, redness, or gastrointestinal problems that include vomiting or diarrhea, or effects to the nervous system, such as trembling, appearing depressed or seizures - from pet spot-on products.

EPA is committed to better protecting the health and safety of pets and families in all communities across our nation," said Steve Owens, assistant administrator of

EPA's Office of Prevention, Pesticides and Toxic Substances. "New restrictions will be placed on these products, and pet owners need to carefully read and follow all

labeling before exposing your pet to a pesticide."

Following the 2008 increase in incident reports, EPA received additional information from the pet spot-on pesticide registrants and others and began an intensive

evaluation of these products. Today, EPA is reporting the results of this evaluation, and taking steps to address the spike in reported incidents Among immediate

actions that EPA will pursue are:

- Requiring manufacturers of spot-on pesticide products to improve labeling, making instructions clearer to prevent product misuse.

- Requiring more precise label instructions to ensure proper dosage per pet weight.

- Requiring clear markings to differentiate between dog and cat products, and disallowing similar brand names for dog and cat products. Similar names may have

led to misuse.

- Requiring additional changes for specific products, as needed, based on product-specific evaluations.

- When new products are registered, granting only conditional, time-limited registrations to allow for post-marketing product surveillance. If there are incidents of

concern associated with the product, EPA will take appropriate regulatory action.

- Restricting the use of certain inert ingredients that EPA finds may contribute to the incidents.

- Launching a consumer information campaign to explain new label directions and to help users avoid making medication errors.

In addition, to improve the regulatory oversight of pet products, EPA will require more standardized post-market surveillance reporting on adverse effects,

require submission of more sales information so the agency can better evaluate incident rates, and bring up-to-date the scientific data requirements on pre - and

post - market testing so they are more in line with the Food and Drug Administration’s requirements.

Flea and tick products can be appropriate treatments for rotecting pets and public health because fleas and ticks can transmit disease to animals and humans.

While most people use the products with no harm to their pets, the agency's analysis determined that smaller dogs tend to be disproportionately

affected by some products and that the exposure of cats to some dog products is a concern.

People should carefully follow label directions and monitor their pets for any signs of an adverse reaction after application, particularly when using these products

for the first time.

EPA recommends that owners consult a veterinarian about the best way to protect their pets from fleas and ticks or whether pesticides are needed, especially

before using any product on weak, aged, medicated, sick, pregnant or nursing pets, or on pets that have previously shown signs of sensitivity to pesticide products.

EPA is coordinating these actions with Health Canada as Canada also identified similar concerns about the use of spot-on flea and tick products last year, and with

the Food and Drug Administration’s Center for Veterinary Medicine.

The agency is inviting public comment on how best to implement these new measures. A Federal Register notice announcing the opening of a docket will be

published on March 19, 2010. The docket number is EPA-HQ-OPP-2010-0229.

EPA's report on the evaluation of products and incidents is available at:\http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/healt...oductseval.html

EPA recommends that veterinarians use the National Pesticide Information Center's Veterinary Pesticide Adverse Effects Portal to report incidents: http://npic.orst.edu/vet

More information on pet products and safety tips:
http://www.epa.gov/pesticides/health/pets.htm

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--------- I used the stuff for several years, but none are safe, i used Advantage on a litter of pups, it's advertised as being safe, but one of the females that died of cancer was one of the pups.

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The lady's article was printed in, The Whole Dog Journal, it's a web site on the computer, it was titled, Are "Spot-On Flea Killers Safe"? , it's got a lot of information, about the supposed safe products, we put on our dogs. The second page has a print out of the spot on products, it says, Fipronil, carcinogen, organ damage, neurotoxin, teratogen, skin problems. Imidacloprid, the, active, ingrendent in Bayer Tree & Shrub, carcinogen, organ damage, neurotoxin, teratogen. And the rest, of the Spot-On products, ain't no better. I always used the least amount like 6cc's down their back. I don't use it no more.

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Truth be told none of them are probably safe. I've used Trifexis and Comfortis for years. Bred my female last year, male I was gonna use is sterile, had to hustle and find me another male dog. Female had 8 pups only 3 lived. 3 were born dead, one born with insides out and died. One died before his eyes opened. Last time this female came in heat my young male got out with her and bred her, NO pups!! I'm not saying its the flea controls fault BUT...............

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I read the article on Are Spot-on flea killers safe, it said they put Advantage on a litter of kittens, they all died, and it's supposed to be made for that. I put it on my old female, 9 years ago, she was nurseing a litter of pups, she had a lot of fleas, every female pup, in that litter would tree, none of the males, made much, which i thought was odd. My old male dog, turned 10 years old he's sterile.

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My male that is sterile is 9. The other male is only 2. The 2 year old did tie up with my female when he bred her, maybe it isn't the flea products fault.

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I used the Bayer Tree and Shrub 1 time about 4 yrs. ago on my 8 yr. old hound out of Seth, about 2 days after putting it on him he wouldn't eat and that was SO NOT like him, normally he was like a vacuum with food, he started passing blood and just Layed around....after about 4 days he started coming around and made a full recovery.......I don't know if the Bayer caused it or not, but I never used it again and have never had a dog do this again.

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ya might think this is funny but my wifes tea tree oil shampoo works pritty dam good for keeping fleas and ticks off the dogs

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Pesticides were developed by the Nazis in WWII as bio weapons. At the time and still day they were designed to attack the central nervous systems. Many Pesticides are on the list for carcinogens in Europe and other countries. Many Herbacides, Fungicides, Pesticides, Insectacides, that we use here, are outlawed in other countries. Its on our food, in our flea treatments, our lawns, and even our drinking water.

Most of the chemicals now of days, are at a low enough concentrations, that they will not harm you. However usually once your body ingests a chemical, it ends up in our liver and tissues or something along those lines. Over time these concentrations will build up, to a toxic level. Studies have shown that cities and towns that use rivers as there source of drinking water, have much higher concentrations, of breast cancer as well as other forms of cancers. Most likely due to run off of farming chemicals. Unfortunately chemicals, are a part of our every day life, and also a multi billion dollar industry. However there are many groups out there, and non profit groups fighting for the safety and health, of the unknowing general public.

Flea and tick treatments are very toxic, however they generally don't get in the blood stream, but enter the oil and sweat system in the dog. Often times the risk of a dog, getting sick from the fleas and or ticks is greater then the risk of using a pesticide. My guess is your dogs are probably getting cancer from another source. I would consider looking into your water source, just to be on the safe side. There could be toxins in your soil, left from years ago. In other words they could be anywhere.

My biggest concerns, and the highest risks, are usually associated with children, and pregnant women. Extreme care and caution, should be taking around children and pregnant women. Pesticides are known for causing ADD and ADHD in children. I'm pretty sure this is what happened to me.

A good book to read that is a good general introduction into this topic.

Silent Spring
By Rachel Carson

She ended up writing the book a year or two, before she died of Cancer. This book was largely responsible for the environmental movement that came about in the 70s. Which fortunately has brought on many laws that protect us and the environment. We are much better off now then what we were 30 years ago.

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