Registered: Jan 2013
Location: North West Alabama
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I'm a youth and just started coonhunting. I'v got a 8 month old pup thats has been tracking and treeing her own coons but have all been den trees. Latley iv been taking her out about three nights a week and she hasn't wanted to hunt much. She usually goes off and hunts but she hasnt the last few times. Am I burning her out? Any advice will be appreciated

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Registered: Jan 2013
Location: Mid Mo
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I think you need to get that pup some live coons and get her excited. A dog that young has a very short attention span. Keep her hunts interesting and exciting and she will mature treeing coons

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Registered: Dec 2004
Location: waco, tx
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If you ate ice cream 3 or 4 evenings a week would you get burned out?

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Pups don't eat ice cream and they ain't kids.
If an 8 month old pup can't handle 3 or 4 nights a week in the woods, you got a bigger problem than just the backtracking which, by tha way, is why your pup keeps making den trees. I can't judge her problem without seeing her go but I doubt it has anything to do with being burned out.

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JIM, they can get burned out and do! Many pups about 8 months old tend to go backwards for awhile and at that point you put em up. Only a few weeks seems to work wonders. If you disagree with this then you hadn't raised too many pups. As for backtracking. That's not true either! Right now, in most parts coon are rutting. And, many times the female coon will go home...to a den...sometimes you see her and sometimes you don't. Again, they are a lot like kids in many ways...too many ways I don't care to mention here. If the dog is backtracking, and I'm not saying for sure either, trap a coon and turn it loose so the dog can see it run off out of sight. Cut the dog and it might tree it and may not, but of it starts running the track backwards when it looses the scent you can see it.

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When every tree ends under a den, that dog is backtracking. All pups do it, a lot of veteran dogs will start a red hot track the wrong way. I don't believe any trainer can train a dog to go the right way, it's a combination of learning and experience. A few never get it. I'm sure if I set out to ruin a pup or burn one out, I probably could. With that said, I'd bet my last dollar this young man's pup isn't burned out.

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8 months old....id be happy if it went hunting, ran track and treed legitimate dens....


Like said, this time of year dens are gunna happen.....every single tree? Id agree..no...could be back tracking....could be loosing the track and "tree checking" and sniffing a den soaked in coon urine and treeing on it....

Theres only a few.times i WANT to put coon down to a dog....this imo is one of those times where.knocking.coon out to it may help get its head on straight....also when they lack confidence and/or.milling around/leaving trees...i like to.shoot most every.coon a dog trees till it is solid and doing well...then i start "weening them off"..

I also dont pet or praise a dog at den trees unless i see a coon in it...could he 10000% the coon went up in in....could he back tracking..could been a weasel or squirrel or anything...

I think petting and praising at a den tree is what separates my dog from my buddies.littermate...my dog is much more accurate...and ive.always went to a lot more dens with his dogs than i do my own now...in the same woods..

I always thought it was because we run the same coons all the time...now i think it.is because he praises his dogs as long as it.aint slick or a possum lol...


I dont know...everyone has their own ways on training a dog...lots of ways to.do it....lots of ways to ruin one too...

At 8 months old i'd definitely proceed with caution...keep the hunts short and fun...i rather take a dog 4 or 5 nites a week for a drop or 2 than once or twice a week for 5 or 6 drops...especially when they are younguns...once they come on strong so do i....and start hunting them more often and longer...


This time of year can be tough pup training...coon population is knocked back....coon movement is.knocked back...coon are scattered.and.harder to find...

Releasing a caged coon and turning the dog out a few times might help...dont show it the coon or cage...but let it go and then let the dog go 5mins later or something...

Or setup a feeder or a couple feed piles...

I like to get younguns exposed to some good tracks...

Time in the woods and getting them on tracks is all it takes if the dog.got the right ingredients....

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catch you a caged coon load the dogs up go to your hunting spot turn that coon loose give it about 30 men. 45 would be better get the young dog out turn it aloose and just wait for her to tree if she runs out there and dont tree it load her up drive around for a men. or two come back and turn her aloose on it agien but if/when she does tree it knock that coon out to her were it still has alittle fight in it she'll should be tuned up after that sounds to me she just needs alittle fur in her mouth maybe a nice little scrap also with a coon...IF she has the grit though.

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Originally posted by JiM
When every tree ends under a den, that dog is backtracking. All pups do it, a lot of veteran dogs will start a red hot track the wrong way. I don't believe any trainer can train a dog to go the right way, it's a combination of learning and experience. A few never get it. I'm sure if I set out to ruin a pup or burn one out, I probably could. With that said, I'd bet my last dollar this young man's pup isn't burned out.

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at sum point most pups hit a flat spot where they stop learning or almost seem to go backwards in what they have learned . this usually passes , but you deffinately need to be careful to positively reinforce the good behavior only. running that pup with hounds that have good habits may help . i would cut back a little to once a week hunting for awhile ,and only water dont feed the dog the day you want to hunt .he can eat after the hunt. that should increase his drive a little . good training to ya . kordog

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Originally posted by cody jaster
Maybe not!!! I hadn't hunted with him either. You are right about the backtracking though! Every time under a den is a big concern. If it is doing it there could be several reasons behind it. None are good reasons! However, most of the pups ( Coon Hound, Labs or whatever... Around 8 months they act like they have a screw loose somewhere). I've just put em up a few weeks from hunting or training and then come back to them later. Saves you and them a bunch of aggravation.

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Originally posted by JiM
Nothing is written in stone when it comes to dogs, that is for sure. But 8 months old is the primest of the prime learning age. I read somewhere that a pup learns the majority of what it ever knows and purty much sets it's lifelong path during that first year. I believe that and that is why I place huge emphasis on getting them out as much as possible that first year. Nothing good happens in the kennel that first year.

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