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4 dog cast : A,B,C strike & tree in that order ! (A. 225 , B. 150 , C.100 plussed ) D. has not been heard . Next drop A & B gets locked up on tree and both gets scratched . C is out trailing with a first strike (100) . Now the 8 mins is applied on dog C cause he isn't heard anymore . Then a different dog is heard open and he's done opened 4 times now . The judge says I'm gonna minus dog D for (-75) for not striking his dog . He calls for a cast vote and loses it , saying it wasn't his dog .

Now who won the cast ? & What's the final score ?

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Did the 8 catch dog C?

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Did the 8 catch dog C?

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The handler returns to club (MOH) to ? his call . Again who wins the cast ?

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The 8 min catches dog c he is even with the board. If dog d is mine catch him barkin before they minus me..... I had a cast where we turned 4 dogsand lose a b & c were struck ..... A 4th dog opens up the judge says so thats your dog !!! I said no , he laughs and says we turned 4 dogs lose and 4 dogs barking thats your dog..... I said no it aint my dog......He put me on the card for 25 ....... Then way in there my dog barked ...... I said no strike my dog and tree my dog ...... WOW WOW WAIT WE HAVE INTERFERANCE !!!!!! ( this was yrs ago before the rule change on interferance and no score ) ........ I said we are goin to him and scorin him .....he had a sow and 3 kittens AND NO SCORE......
The MOH backed to time up to the interferance and the cast did not have enough time to complete the cast and tore the card up >>>> So dog d should have 0 ( without proving for sure itis him ) and dog c has 0 but has - points on the card ....... NO ONE WINS !!!!!


Oh now you say the 8 never caught dog c !!!!! dog c has 100 plus and dog d nothing !!!!!!! so whats the question ???????

100 plus beats 0 everytime.

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Guys read carefully !!!! The 8 didn't catch dog C , they broke cause they heard a different dog (believe to be dog D) .

NEVER said the 8 mins catches dog C !!!




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I think the question is.....if the minus for not striking dog D is overturned, then is the 8 still broke? Is that the question?
If I was the MOH, I would rule that since the minus for not striking dog D was overturned, Dog D did not then break the 8. The 8 catches dog C and you now have a dead cast. I think.

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If the 8 does not catch dog c and dog d never trees a coon there should not be a question !!!!!!!! DOG C WITH 100 PLUS

But if the question of dog d bein struck or not ( breaking the 8 on dog c ) would have to be determined by the MOH ..... If its overturned and dog d is not minused its a dead cast

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Dog C is the only dog with + points.


Not sure I see the issue....

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I think the question is.....if the minus for not striking dog D is overturned, then is the 8 still broke? Is that the question?
If I was the MOH, I would rule that since the minus for not striking dog D was overturned, Dog D did not then break the 8. The 8 catches dog C and you now have a dead cast. I think.

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The cast did vote on this

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The part about A and B being scratched it totally irrelevant and just serves to muddy the situation. Here it is simplified:

2 dogs remaining in cast. Dog A has 100+ and holding 100 strike. Dog B has not been struck in all night.

8 minutes is started on Dog A. 7 minutes in (time doesn't really matter) a dog is heard to be opening that is not dog A. Judge minuses Dog B for not striking his dog. Cast votes that this is not Dog B so call is reversed.

You real question should be: "Is the 8 still running on dog A?"

Answer: Yes. Since it was determined by cast vote that the dog heard was not a member of the cast the 8 is still running. If it catches Dog A, he will be minused his 100 strike. His score will be 0 (goose egg).

Dog B is also at 0 since he has never been put on the card.

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The part about A and B being scratched it totally irrelevant and just serves to muddy the situation. Here it is simplified:

2 dogs remaining in cast. Dog A has 100+ and holding 100 strike. Dog B has not been struck in all night.

8 minutes is started on Dog A. 7 minutes in (time doesn't really matter) a dog is heard to be opening that is not dog A. Judge minuses Dog B for not striking his dog. Cast votes that this is not Dog B so call is reversed.

You real question should be: "Is the 8 still running on dog A?"

Answer: Yes. Since it was determined by cast vote that the dog heard was not a member of the cast the 8 is still running. If it catches Dog A, he will be minused his 100 strike. His score will be 0 (goose egg).


Dog B is also at 0 since he has never been put on the card.

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A&B scratched . Now the cast voted to minus dog D (that was never heard yet) . The handler ? the call back at the clubhouse w/the MOH . Who wins and why ?

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Well if 8 doesn't get C and D questions call at club, question was not recorded in woods on the card? so no question to call on the MOH, so not knowing what happened after if C gets treed or time runs out I would say C WINS!! for 100

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IF the MOH reverses the -75 call ( dog d is at ZERO ) and then the 8 catches dog c dog c is at zero ........ Dead cast .......
NO ONE WINS

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Now if cast voted to Minus D by majority and D did not question Card, MOH would not rule correct? so C would win cast Right?

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It doesn't make a bit of difference what the MOH does with the minus for not striking, either way he rules the 8 still caught D and you have a dead cast. Why? Because D was never struck in on the card. That is what Mr Frederick is saying, it don't matter if D barked or not, it don't matter how many times he barked, if he isn't struck by his handler, and he wasn't, the 8 keeps running.

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The only confusing part of this scenario is the missing/changing information given.

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It doesn't make a bit of difference what the MOH does with the minus for not striking, either way he rules the 8 still caught D and you have a dead cast.

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It has to be a " DECLARRED STRIKE " . Which is done only by the handler . So the 8 was to be kept running .

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It has to be a " DECLARRED STRIKE " . Which is done only by the handler . So the 8 was to be kept running .

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Well if 8 doesn't get C and D questions call at club, question was not recorded in woods on the card? so no question to call on the MOH, so not knowing what happened after if C gets treed or time runs out I would say C WINS!! for 100

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After rereading and to answer my own question yes MOH can make decissions after card is turned in but no latter than 30 minutes after turned in. I see the light- Dead cast. Thanks guys good post

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After rereading and to answer my own question yes MOH can make decissions after card is turned in but no latter than 30 minutes after turned in. I see the light- Dead cast. Thanks guys good post

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TOO MANY IFFINNS GOIN ON HERE !!!!!!

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