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Just a question about a nonhunting judge situation. 4 dog cast. Dog A, a Nat. Gr NT Ch is treed by itself. The tree is more of a bush, not very tall and very shineable. A persimmon tree would have a better chance of hiding a coon. Other three handlers agree its empty and even handler of dog A jokes about it being slick. Handlers B and C ask judge multiple times at the tree how it will be scored. Judge does not answer, even when walking away from tree. Cast walks 10 minutes to recut. Handler of dog B refuses to cut until judge tells cast how tree was scored. Nonhunting judge tells cast dog A's tree was circled. Decision made a difference in the cast winner at the end of the night. Dog A wins, but would not have if tree was minused.

1. How do you question the decision of nonhunting judge after walking away from tree 10 minutes?
2. Can you question the fact the nonhunting judge would not tell cast his decison while still at Dog A's tree?

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if those handlers would have requested a question mark be put on the card at the tree when judges refused to comment on how the tree was scored, it may have turned out different. It is a shame even at that level there is a lack of honesty and integrity. i know what cast your talking about. the dog that actually won the cast went home. iwould have filled out a complaint form.

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Tracy, word gets around I guess. Just trying to figure out how to question a judges decision when judge wont even tell you the decision.

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1. How do you question the decision of nonhunting judge after walking away from tree 10 minutes?
2. Can you question the fact the nonhunting judge would not tell cast his decison while still at Dog A's tree?

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Jim i thought you could request to see the score card any time
you wanted.#10 they will show and inform handlers of score
and time recorded. so ??? when informed

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How would MOH or UKC ever over rule a nonhunting judges decision to circle an an obviously slick tree? Would the opinion of the other three handlers count for anything? Or maybe we could have gotten the entire card thrown out since judge would not inform cast of his decision?

One way or another, I want to know how to not let this BS happen again. Fool me once, shame on me. But fool me twice....

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How would MOH or UKC ever over rule a nonhunting judges decision to circle an an obviously slick tree? Would the opinion of the other three handlers count for anything? Or maybe we could have gotten the entire card thrown out since judge would not inform cast of his decision?

One way or another, I want to know how to not let this BS happen again. Fool me once, shame on me. But fool me twice....

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One way or another, I want to know how to not let this BS happen again. Fool me once, shame on me. But fool me twice....

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handlers should have stayed at that tree and refused to leave until notified of how tree was scored and requested to question non call by non hunting judges. they have to tell you at the tree how the tree was scored. this is why people get furious at competition hunts. we may have a world champion that got defeated in the second round.

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sense its brought up wat cast was this??

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feelin frisky, i wonder how many bushes got circled last night. this thing has already been paid for. no sense in tuning in tonight.

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and who was the judge?

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feelin frisky, i wonder how many bushes got circled last night. this thing has already been paid for. no sense in tuning in tonight.

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I think the rules got Stretched.

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Its everywhere that group goes as always if he was to win it would be VERY questionable.Has the possie showed up yet .Alan may need to judge this one and have security in the woods.

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Did any dogs mysteriously quit treeing?

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I didnt start this post to name names. I started it because I want to know how to get a nonhunting judges decision overturned on scoring a tree. Dont have much experience with nonhunting judges or the policy for getting a tree scoring error overturned, or how and if it would even be considered. But I have never seen such a tree circled before, and it definitely should not have been.

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Well if this cheating really happened everyone should know who it is so they don't let it happen to them!

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I know one thing for sure cause I've hunted with him on a nite champ cast years ago. He's not going to lay down for the one that stretched the truth at all. In fact he's got a really good dog and that's his backyard they are hunting in. I hope he wins it all!

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I didnt start this post to name names.

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Well, I don't know about anyone else, but "Dog A, a Nat. Gr NT Ch..." narrowed it down a little bit for me.

I'm just trying to figure out if you meant Miller's Little Joker or Spring Creek Rock.

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I just want to give the jealous, empty treein dog credit for the title that I'm sure she deserves. Just speaking on my one observation of course, I'd say she's tough in pop up coon.

But really, is there even a way in UKC to over rule a nonhunting judges decision to circle an obviously slick tree?

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Well, I don't know about anyone else, but "Dog A, a Nat. Gr NT Ch..." narrowed it down a little bit for me.

I'm just trying to figure out if you meant Miller's Little Joker or Spring Creek Rock.

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I think the rules got Stretched.

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