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I had a female come in heat without showing blood, she is the only female that I have ever had that did this without showing blood.

I thought she was coming in but she showed no blood just swelling I keep checking but never seen any. Well the little gal got unsnapped somehow and got herself tied up with a male of mine.

I was going to make the cross it just happened before I wanted it to. It was her first cycle she is just shy of 2 yrs old.

Anybody experenced the no blood thing, I know I didn't miss it or over look it.

For you folks that know something about this sort of thing do you think she will take, beings there was no blood?

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sounds like a mess on 1 end of the string

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Something ain't right if she is almost two and just had her first heat cycle.

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I have 1 here the same way. She only bleeds just a little on her 1st day then she stops. She is VERY easy to miss. She has been missed once sense I have owned her. She is in heat now and will be Bred to Mr Clean next week. These are very difficult females to have around

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Had one here. Also had an accidental breeding. She was 10 months old when that happened. Her next cyle happened when I was on a buddy hunt in the mountains of Virginia. I missed it again. But Sledge didn't. I could see two light collars on top of each other up the mountain. I get up to them and all I could do was wait for the release. Her nick name was Kamp tramp after that. LOL That breeding didn't take.
I sold her to her sires owner. She's 6 now and is still the same way. I saw her new owner last week and he said she puts on weight just before she cycles. Otherwise he can't tell. No bleeding or swelling. He's been at it for 40 years. I didn't ask him if she cycles some what regular.

I'm going guess that she's cycled before and it was missed.
Hope you like puppies. A lot of puppies

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sounds like a mess on 1 end of the string

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Something ain't right if she is almost two and just had her first heat cycle.

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I"ve had several that did not bleed at all and some that bled only a drop or two, all were related. Real agravating.

I've also had several over the years that came in only once or twice in 10 years. I recently had one that came in twice in four years, I had her spade so she was always safe.

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every heat cycle is diffrent. my female only comes in once a year and she swells for bout two or three weeks before she ever bleeds. i had a female before that didnt bleed any but she came in heat three times a year. just like any female, there all diffrent

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a buddy of mine has one 28 months old and still not came in

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Read about PG600 !! This is what it really works on !!

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This is from a News letter I got from Revival Animal Health


Bitch problems are a popular topic among breeders, but the truth is, most bitches have no problems. Bitches do everything to maintain their body and if there is excess, they reproduce. The number one issue that costs us money is bitches that are not cycling. If we have a number of females are not cycling, the first thing to look at is their diet and vitamins. Poor quality protein and imbalanced vitamins can be the cause, and you can correct cycling if they have the right diet, vitamins and minerals.

In the wild dog pack, one or two alpha bitches will cycle, while the rest do not. There may be 4 or more females, but their ovaries will stay in anestrous (quiet ovary) and out of heat. This is good - the best genetics will breed while the rest contribute to feeding. Skipping heats can send normal adult bitches into anestrous as well.

It's hard on bitches to rest them and intermittently breed them. Typically the first litter after the "rest" is difficult for the bitch and there will also be fewer weaned puppies. However, if we do a good job feeding and whelping females, they can cycle again with no issues at their normal 6-month interval.

We also see this phenomenon in the kennel with the young female. We'll skip heats to get the dog physically and mentally ready to raise a litter, but then they stop cycling. Small breeds and especially poodles are notorious for doing this. This dog is easily started again!

What to do if I have females not cycling?

First, make sure everything is normal with your system, especially with their diet. Ask your veterinarian for help if there is any debate.

Put the females on a vitamin mineral supplement daily. More vitamin and mineral issues have been diagnosed in the last few years - there are many reasons, but the important thing is: they are easy to correct. While bringing them in we want optimum levels in the female. I like Doc Roy'sŪ Daily Care as it is easy to use, it's made in the USA, and it's economical.

In pigs, PG 600 is the hormone used to start cycling in gilts. It knocks the scar tissue off the ovary, allowing the ovary to start cycling. Dogs also respond well to PG 600 - use at 1cc/20 pounds. For the best results, give the first two doses 5 days apart, then weekly until in heat. Many breeders will say Monday and Friday and then every Friday. Most are in heat by the third week, but if there is any question you can give one more injection, with a maximum of 6 injections.

PG 600 is a great management tool and I commonly use it in young females who are old enough to breed but are not coming in or have an irregular heat cycle. We are 80% successful at getting these maiden females to cycle again. If there is one tool you can use to manage your females more effectively, it's PG 600 to keep your bitches cycling regularly, for healthier moms and pups every time.

Dr. B

http://www.revivalanimal.com/PG-600.html

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Well then something ain't right. Personally I have never had one that went longer than one year old before their first cycle.

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thank you for the info on the PG 600, I will do a search on it and see if I can get a bottle, I have another dog that is closely related to this female that has a short cycle, she always shows, but getting her bred has been a loosing battle for me, and the next time she comes in I hope that maybe you can help me A.I. her with a male that I have here.


So I come in today from the tree and I notice blood now, not a big batch but the diluted lookng blood that usually comes after day4 or 5 of the first sight of blood.....Not sure if that is caused from her getting tied up or what but she is showing a slight discarge of blood.

I might have a heck of a stud dog breeder on my hands to, he was on a chain and the female was the one running loose. I may take her up to the male again and see if she tries to back up to him. I know the stud is going to try to mount her.

The mother mother to this female is very easy to bred, she backs up, flags at the a males shadow. I have even seen her lay down and back up toward a mini pincher, so maybe this female is the same. I am glad to at lease have seen blood today. Still don't think I want her with pups yet thou.

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