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How many think like I do give me an honest strike dog that will stay put with the meat and stay out of harms way I will win more than I loose. Or do y'all think you got to teach them all the tricks to make them a winner ?


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I'm a 25 strike dog kind of guy. But if you put 4 honest strike dogs down together my female will be struck first more times than not. She has what I call coon sense. She knows where to go to find a track. And seems to me there's a bunch of dogs now days that just don't have it. They run a straight line away from you to find a track. They don't go towards water, or anything. Just try and run as straight of line away from you as possible. The old girl will definitely be missed when she's gone. Now my buddy prefers the same as us. But I know several that like the barkers just bbeacon a cast you don't have to tree that extra coon. And your honest dog better be fast. Its got to cover ground faster than the barker to get that extra coon in that cast to win. I've hunted with a couple barkers that I would own but they'd stop the barking if I owned them. There's an English that's young, he's a barker, but flies around and trees coon, and does it extremely fast. His avg speed on the Garmin is 13-14 hunting, and upwards of 20 when he gets struck. He's hard to beat in a cast.

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Tarbaby, I realize that you already know the answer and just want to tell it to us but here is my humble opinion. There are an awful lot of honest strike dogs out there that will stay put with the meat. If you are going to beat them then you had better have an "edge". A lot of handlers have found that always getting first strike can be that "edge". Knowing the rules and beating the other handler can also be an "edge". Whether you win a majority of your casts depends on your level of competition. You might be able to do it at home but how have you been doing on the road? Surely you have a stay put tree dog. I haven't seen your name in the magazine. But then I guess that you don't hunt in comp hunts anymore. I did see on here where you hunted last Sept. Did you have a dog like you described? How did that work out?
Now how was that? Do you agree or disagree?

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A dog that barks when it smells a coon and stays put is a good start. A good start doesn't win a lot. A good finish does.
Looking back, it seems like most casts lost were lost because of some little thing that would have won it if done right. A dog that might cover late is just one example. Lotta little things lose. Training is the difference.

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Richard when and if I hunt probly be more of the one hour variety I am working on a project right now Corey has two first in two hunts with my other female just by treeing coons when the other dogs didn't. But at the larger venues is an honest strike dog that has a coon a disadvantage or advantage ? You go to them more than me that's why I am asking you were I know what I got to have to compete.




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What about Fred?

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Fred is back home with his owner. I got a pup out of him and granny. Fred had the tools I did good with him he don't operate for his owner like he did for me. Gets on to him for things he shouldn't and don't for the things he should. But he is his dog. The hemi dog I got is going to be better just lacks a lot of hunting but he is going to be the type dog brother Richard could hear him one time and go handle him the next hunt super easy to call just strike him and tree him just missing some accuracy right now we will see going to be my $$$$ hunt dog I am going to get rich lol.



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Treeing and staying with the meat isn’t the issue normally

It’s keeping the point.

I don’t train to tree coon, I train not to screw up. ( don’t work to well for me at times though lol)

It’s the down time in between Coons that is a killer for most. People forget about all the screw ups as soon as a coon is treed. That’s what kills you.

The recut and the second coon is the tough area for many.

Also, the peer pressure of the others. The dog must operate under bad influence. I like hunting with the worst I can find, I assume that’s what I will draw. I don’t have to use the excuse other dogs made him do it.

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Exactly !! I seen lately guys pull dogs off of trees with coons in it just because their dog backed another on one pull them off and beat the crap out them on a coon after a couple rounds of that the dog don't know if it's sacking or carrying out. Two things I do with the bloodline of dogs I own to make them independent is first I always take two dogs hunting I line them up like I am going to cut them both and just cut one then I put the other back in the box make that dog hunt away from the other. When it falls handy if I drive pretty close to the tree I get the dog in the box to bark make that dog stay hooked and it don't take much till they know I am coming to stay treed. This setting dogs up beating them only makes things worse it helps if you get one that naturly has the tools and you just refine them.



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So, having an honest strike dog that trees coons and stays is only the beginning?

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It used to be I always figured if I could get a part of your coon and get one by myself I had a good chance of winning but from what I am hearing it takes more from the dog now and a lot more from the handler than I am willing to do them one mile death marches are out on these knees lol.



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It used to be I always figured if I could get a part of your coon and get one by myself I had a good chance of winning but from what I am hearing it takes more from the dog now and a lot more from the handler than I am willing to do them one mile death marches are out on these knees lol.



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The craziest thing I have ever heard of in training a dog. Turning a couple of dogs loose, let the get struck and or treed. Turn another dog loose if he heads in the direction of the other dogs, he shocks him until he heads the other way.

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So when you cut to a treed dog, you're alright if it goes to the treed dog?

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The craziest thing I have ever heard of in training a dog. Turning a couple of dogs loose, let the get struck and or treed. Turn another dog loose if he heads in the direction of the other dogs, he shocks him until he heads the other way.

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So when you cut to a treed dog, you're alright if it goes to the treed dog?

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I think in a discussion such as this one, it is necessary to distinguish right up front between one hour and two hour hunts because their is most definately a difference in the emphasis on first strike between the two.

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Bingo. That is a killer. That is a big one to train against

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Yes and no. I meant he talked about turning a couple of dogs loose and them getting treed together. I am fine with that as long as one didn’t come 400 yards to cover. Turning toward a treed dog mine has enough juice put through them to run Chicago if they go that way. I should have stated it differently. Trying to type and watch tv

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Usually, I think, if the dog has any intelligence it doesn’t take much to correct that. I am a fan of recuts off trees to trailing and treed dogs. Most tree and move I like big bottoms and recuts

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And, yes. Big difference between 1 and 2 hour. In 2 prob going back in for 25 quite a bit and that helps.

Having a set of eyeballs offsets some of the strike power at times.

I hunt 2 hour dogs. Sometimes I need 4 hours lol

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If I am in good coon country I want him to get his own before he gets there. But if he cannot find one and they have a coon yes I want him there but he better be looking before he gets there. But you will add to the bone pile finding one that operates like that they got brains.


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Especially in the new KC. Only good thing that can come from running to a treed dog off recut is if dog wont go hunting alone. That way he will have a buddy to be cut with off that tree. Lol

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