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You hear so much about dogs that can't move a track, wallering a track, standing on their head...... Maybe I'm just too impatient but when mine does that, I move in on them and push them on. I use various methods, depending on the individual dog but one way or the other, they are gonna move on, either with that track or they go find another. What I am NOT gonna do is stand there listening to a pup or a dog jack a track all night. If they can't move, I'm moving them.

It seems like many coonhunters today are afraid to train their dogs. If a pup can't take some training pressure, what tha heck's it good for?

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I agree totaly, teach the dog to drift the track or go find one it can move!

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I give mine about 10 to 15 minutes to get it lined out. Then I am moving them on.

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In the beginning, i let them boohoo and work the track out...so long as they are trying and making some progress....i think it is important to let them learn to move and carry a track to the right tree..

They gotta learn to cross creeks, tree tops, dry terrain, etc..whatever bogs them down or gives them trouble...once they learn to work through those tough spots, its not so tough next time....thats my thinking...

Once they come along and start doing a nice job, they need to keep it up...if they cant carry the track on, i use various methods to move them on....call them out, go in and move them out....leash them up and walk them a ways away...leash them up and take then to a new spot...or take them home and put em up....my dogs hate the latter...take em home and put em up drives em nuts especially if it was the first drop...

Theres a fine line there though...they start thinking that if you come in they are going home or getting punished and they become hard to gather up....i like my dog to come when called...when i wanna go home, i wanna go home with my dog..not have to chase after him....

Cant stand a boohooing dog....but at the same time, i do think havi g patience early on makes for a better dog...dog cant train himself...but at the same time he cant learn some things if he doesnt get the chance to learn them...

Doesnt take much to tree a smokin hot pop up coon....i can tree them without a dog...but at the same time i dont like a cold nosed boohooer either lol....i like a good chase....probably why deer and bear hounds really got me fired up last fall...though i still absolutely love coon huntin....hearing a good hot bear or deer race is a rush...

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We would bust there blitter'in azzes if they wanted to walk back an forth on something, and most of them knew better, when you got there, that they best move on.

Thank God, I haven't had to deal with this for 10 years or better. When you breed the right stuff in, that track jacking disappears!!

Guys, either they got it or they don't, the key is not spending loads of time with a cull !!

The longer you hunt, and the more pups you try to train, you will eventually learn this., but the faster you get at evaluating junk, that means the quicker you can move on with quality.............................. my two cents

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either way its a unfinished track.we try not to bred for that
a dog may have to go 3/4 mile to find another around here

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Originally posted by joseph mcdonald
Guys, either they got it or they don't, the key is not spending loads of time with a cull !!

The longer you hunt, and the more pups you try to train, you will eventually learn this., but the faster you get at evaluating junk, that means the quicker you can move on with quality.............................. my two cents

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i for one never push one off a track.... if they cant learn to run one in time and figure out what they can or cant run i want be hunting them long.... i do let dogs work hard tracks and put them where they have to work hard tracks and yes it will make them better track dogs if they are capable of being track dogs but with that being said i aint listening to a dog stand on its head ever night either if they dont learn it someone else can feed it

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Jim, ssshhhhh everybody doesn't need to know..

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ya Jim I do but pressure isnt what we call it around these parts.

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Its because most people are too lazy to walk in there and make them move and or afraid to try something different from what they have done in the past.

I have one now just turned 12 months old that spends too much time on the ground, has it all looks, mouth, outstanding tree dog. I think right now she has more nose than brains to use it, I'm going to do something shortly to make her progress or she's gotta go. My wife says she needs some riddlin cause she's so hyper, I think she may have some kinda attention disorder because she will bounce all over the woods at times trying to work a track.

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I am with Jim on this. I don't know if I think of it as training the dog, but I just can't stand it. Once a dog starts treeing a coon or 2 my patience especially gets shorter. I want a dog to either A. Get treed or B come back. If these things don't happen in 30 minutes or so I am either A. going to get the dog and pressure it, or B. Leave and go home and come back later and get it.

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Before I tell you how I stop a dog from beating a track to death.. Id like to first say they are my dogs and I also know none of you would ever do this because you might ruin them.. Now that Ive cut off half the smart ass comments from all of the dog whisperers.. I lightly shock my dogs if they start beating a track up.. Saves me a lot of steps!..

I hear a lot of people always talking about wasting your time with a hound thats not a natural starter but theres a lot of hounds that are not complete naturals that make very nice dogs if you know how to train them!

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If they open up on a track they better finish it.I don't like 1 to boo hoo but if he opens his mouth the better get it treed perty quick.I have hunted with several titled dogs that have been shocked off of cold tracks so much that the coon had better just walked or they can't or won't tree it.If they strike it give them time to finish it.If they can't move the track then move the dog to another spot.

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Jim,

I run a collar light on the young dogs I am hunting. If they hang up, I ease it to see what the problem may be. If they are in tree tops or similar obstacle, I pressure them to circle the mess.

One time last year the young dog was sort of treeing on a leaner over the river. From my advantage point, I could see the coon almost to the other side. The river there was too deep and wide for me to get across so I sent her on.

So, yes depending on the situation, I pressure them.

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I think there is a difference between standing on their heads or wallering a track and actually learning to run a bad track. I generally allow a young dog to try and figure out a cold feeder track, cause when they do that, it makes those hot tracks that much easier later on. If the dog has any ability at all, they should learn and get faster with experience and age. If they don't, then they never had the potential to start with. That's not determined so much by training, but breeding. Haven't you ever saw a hound move a cold track quickly? As a child, did most everyone on this forum learn to run before they walked?? Perhaps some of you should put your shocking collars on your children or grandchildren to hurry them up some. Sort of hurry up the learning curve. Ha, oh no, that is different you will say. Well is it, pups are like kids, as they have to learn too. They aren't born finished hounds, they learn. My daughters should be thankful I never adopted the shocking collar approach, or they would have been electrocuted when it came to math.. LOL.. Doesn't anyone feel their hound is one of their best friends anymore, or are they just tools we use to try to gain popularity and then discard when we are through with them? I think today's coonhunters are accustomed to instant gratification for their efforts. We live in a very fast paced world, and we expect instant results, thus they have the same expectations when they turn a hound loose. They want to turn a hound loose and have them treed quickly. Then move quickly to tree another one. And that is great if you have the coons, but come to west virginia and hunt the mountains and see for yourself just how many mountains you want to climb in a night. They don't all tree at the bottom, and we don't have a huge supply of flat land where I live.. Just my opinion. And as far as a pop-up dog goes, you can buy them a dime a dozen, as I have one in my yard. It's a german shepherd, and will tree those hot tracks with the best of them. He'd do well on a hunt with feeder buckets...

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This Photo is of a 8 month old on her first Solo hunt She worked 3 log jambs just like this one and each one was 5 to 8 min. to work out ,, Very tough Coon that worked every trick there was .. If I would have pushed her she would'nt have treed him ....

But there are times to Push one out of a Hard Check !!

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I lightly shock my dogs if they start beating a track up.. Saves me a lot of steps!..

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