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There have been several discussions on here regarding semen breeding from dogs dead prior to DNA testing being available. Since the dogs weren't tested and there is no DNA on record that positively came from these dogs, how can they be eligible for the performance program as studs? If I remember correctly there was no testing done on dogs prior to 1992. Your input would be very much appreciated.

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Am I not going to get any reply?

Tom

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Tom,
I'm not sure that Todd or myself are the most qualified to respond. But know that we have discussed this with those who are and asked them to respond. Be on the lookout for it shortly. Thanks.

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I wish I could tell you the answer you want to hear but unfortunately, I can not. Every litter we register is based on the honor system. We can only move forward from here but it sure would have been nice to know then what we know now.

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DOES THAT MEAN THAT BECAUSE HE SAID IT IS SO YOU WILL REGISTER THE LITTER AND PERFORMANCE THE PUPS.....

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Originally posted by smokin-1-mo
DOES THAT MEAN THAT BECAUSE HE SAID IT IS SO YOU WILL REGISTER THE LITTER AND PERFORMANCE THE PUPS.....

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What a joke......

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Why Do People keep saying that Jr. was'nt Collected on !!!!! I have him Right here in My Tank !!!

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Why not make people single register hounds that supposedly came out of a long dead hound. Then it wouldn't matter what they really came out of. They would have to meet the breed requirements and tree a coon. I guess they could say anything collected before DNA was availible has to be single registered. Then the semen had to be DNA by a UKC accepted company.

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What you all seem to be missing is that every dog profiled is done so under the honor system. There is no one standing there watching when we swab those dogs. We can swab any dog and say this is Sizemores Super Stud even if it is actually Coomers Super Dud. Who's gonna know?

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BUT THE DNA BETTER MATCH HIS DADS ...MEGA DUD,OUR IT WILL BE OUT......CORRECT..WITH OUT NOTHING TO MATCH IT TO HOW DO YOU DO IT.....DOES UKC HAVE DNA PROFILE ON ROCK.....WITH THE ANSWER TOM GOT LOOKS LIKE THE ANSWER IS NO....SURE REGISTER THEM ON THE HONOR SYSTEM BUT NOT PERFORMANCE...

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Originally posted by rghnd123
Why not make people single register hounds that supposedly came out of a long dead hound. Then it wouldn't matter what they really came out of. They would have to meet the breed requirements and tree a coon. I guess they could say anything collected before DNA was availible has to be single registered. Then the semen had to be DNA by a UKC accepted company.

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UKC is just a registry , they keep records for us ... they don't advertise or offer any kind of service that guarantees accuracy of those records .... who would ?


We all gotta follow our gut and do our due diligence on this type of stuff .... if those two don't give you comfort , don't be cutting your eyes at UKC to ease the pain of stretching your wallet further than normal for some popsicle pups , you can get just as much stress and heartache from normal ones ...

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WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND IS HOW A DOG CAN DIE IN THE EARLY 80s AND SOMEONE COLLECTED DNA ON THEM NOT KNOWING THAT WAS GOING TO BE THING FOR UKC IN THE 90s...DONT AD UP.....

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Who are we to say the man was not ahead of times.All ideas and plans start ahead of there times.The DNA can be cross matched off the other dogs off him even later litters.The question I have is to everyone concerned in the mans business, What if every thing works out are they going to man up and say he was right and they were wrong?

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BRUCE ,MYSELF I DONT CARE WHAT HE BREEDS TO BUT ITS JUST A LITTLE HARD TO SWALLOW THE DNA PART BEING ON FILE SINCE THE EARLY 80s I HAVE HAD A COUPLE PMs TO THIS MATTER THAT SAYS ITS SO GUESS THIS IS ONE OF THEM PAUL RIPLEY THINGS.....BELIEVE IT OUR NOT.....DONT BOTHER ME TO EAT CROW IF THEY WILL ENLITEN US.....WHATS NEXT BEANBLOSSUM BUCK OUR BANJO 2 DNA....

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Coomer, these guys had the foresight to preserve DNA before DNA was even discovered. Forget the dog stuff, you need to get on their good side for the stock tips.

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JIM,AS ALWAYS I GUESS YOU ARE RIGHT...LOL....WISH I HAD ONE OF THEM CRYSTAL BALLS SO I COULD SEE 10,12 YEARS INTO THE FUTURE.......

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Originally posted by Virgil
You may think so but it is a legitimate question that needs to be asked. If the honor system is all they are going by then we are in a bad place because we all know that there are coonhunters out there that will do or say anything to sell a dog.

This not only hurts the people buying pups but also the stud owners who have put in the time and money to save semen on studs that have passed.

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Originally posted by Dirtdevil
UKC is just a registry , they keep records for us ... they don't advertise or offer any kind of service that guarantees accuracy of those records .... who would ?


We all gotta follow our gut and do our due diligence on this type of stuff .... if those two don't give you comfort , don't be cutting your eyes at UKC to ease the pain of stretching your wallet further than normal for some popsicle pups , you can get just as much stress and heartache from normal ones ...

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Does it really matter ?
Anyone that gets a really good pup/dog is happy. A dud not so much.
If that pup reproduces they're even happier.
Any dog in the Performance program had to pay the fees involved to get there and be eligible to win anything back so after that they have to be good enough to win or else they just gave money to the ones that can win like everybody else did.

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Originally posted by Dale Young
Does it really matter ?
Anyone that gets a really good pup/dog is happy. A dud not so much.
If that pup reproduces they're even happier.
Any dog in the Performance program had to pay the fees involved to get there and be eligible to win anything back so after that they have to be good enough to win or else they just gave money to the ones that can win like everybody else did.

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Originally posted by Dale Young
Does it really matter ?
Anyone that gets a really good pup/dog is happy. A dud not so much.
If that pup reproduces they're even happier.
Any dog in the Performance program had to pay the fees involved to get there and be eligible to win anything back so after that they have to be good enough to win or else they just gave money to the ones that can win like everybody else did.

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Originally posted by JiM
It DOES matter.
Why? Because not everyone pays into the PRP fund. Anyone with a UKC registered dog can win and accumulate points, but you don't collect the rewards unless you paid in with your nomination fees. But how is UKC to know which dogs paid in and which dogs didn't pay in? DNA. That's how. So yes, it does matter.

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