Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Terre Haute, IN
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I know that I am going to start a lot of crap with this question but I still would like to know why. I saw a post on Christy's thread about her Red pup and someone knew a guy who "Culled" (which is a woosy way of saying kill) he red pups if they were too light. There are a lot of Labs that are pets that don't hunt or what have you that make awesome pets due to their intelligence. Coondogs make awesome pets too. Even if you don't want them and don't want to trade or sell them as coondogs, why not give them away as pets? There are a ton of kids, and adults who would give them a happy home. I didn't get into this sport and then made one a pet later. I got a coondog as a pet and then decided to turn him into a coondog (or just unleash that talent I guess). I am just a softy I guess but if it just because of looks or their lacking of treeing ability why "cull" them?

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I personally give away all pups that are unwanted. It is not hard to find people to take the pups.

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C.P.- I couldn't imagine it being hard. I am going to breed my dogs so I have one or two new pups to work and have and the rest are going to my students who have shown interest in coonhunting and Redbones.

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Los Angeles, MN
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Why?

Because, hounds dont make good pets, they have more requirements than most other breeds.....most people that get a hound as a pet later realise how much work they are....then try to give them away at coonhound central.....


Also, dogs that dont make the cut that are sold or traded as "coondogs" are often abused or neglected because of their shortcomings....


Im sure you will disagree with all of this...but these are the cold hard facts.

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Salem,Missouri
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i have to agree with josh. in realty what is best, a life of dog jockeys/serum plant or culled?

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Location: Lumpkin, Ga
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actually they do make great pets. I have several house pet coondogs. I have several others that love people and would be great yard dog pets for people who wanted such a thing, even though they are coon dogs when they are in the woods. Some of the idiots of hounds I hear about would not be suitable for pets, but what I have here could easily learn to like that lifestyle.

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I give mine to the deer hunters around here. They might not tree a coon but the will run in a pck of 25 to 30 deer hounds. They love them because of their voices

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Maybe this is a little off base but it has always concerned me that the various Humane Societys kill more dogs in one day than any coonhunter does in a lifetime and yet most pet owners think the Humane Society is dogs best friend. Why would culling pups that don't meet the breeders standards be considered wrong when so many pet dogs wind up in shelters? Sending a dog to the pound is just a less distastefull way of killing a dog. It's great that Stretcher will give away to his students the pups he has left but it may not be so great for the pups when it's all said and done.

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BDM...You dont have to tell me.....I have 2 in the house, one sleeps with me, the other with my son.

Still, its a lot more work than other breeds.

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I agree with Josh 100%. Hounds are hunting dogs - not pets.

Stretcher, If you give your pups to your students that's cool. But the fact is dogs that need to be culled, but are not, will sooner or later get back into the system and only do damage to their breed.

I personally would not cull a hound if he/she didn't hunt good for me. I'd put that dog in the hands of a good trainer. I learned long ago that one man's trash is another man's treasure. Case in point: Last year I paid 75$ for a young dog that was going to be culled because he was a "dud". I knew this young dog very well, and the IDIOT that had him, so I bought him. Today one of my friends owns that same dog, and that "dud" is making a coondog.

I will however cull a fighter. I'll send a mean dog home in a minute!!!

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I agree with Brigman about the mean dogs. But when the deer hunters get the ones I give away, they do not get papers..

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How can you say they don't make good pets. You speak from both sides of your mouth. I've had all kinds of dogs and hounds seem to have the best disposition of them all.

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BDM - It must be the breeding.

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cull means to remove from the breeding population. There are different means to do that. I know I have used many. I have had good experinces and bad experiences with many of these type of deals. The bad experiences will stay with you for life.

If you are not breeding a dog than fix it. If you give dogs away then fix them. Be sure to who you give dogs too. I will tell you what, I witnessed two different dogs that ended up living a miserable life because what needed to be done wasn't done. If you breed a dog then you assume the responsibility for each puppy born. That means doing what is responsible, and let me tell ya the responsible thing is seldom the easiest course to follow. It's responsibility funny that way??????

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I have had to get rid of three dogs in the last couple years, all young dogs that I had bought, I am gonna be raisin my first litter in december, so we will see what happens with those pups.....but I took those young dogs, that werent pleasin me, and sold them to hunters who had far more experience than me.....they were all runnin and treein, but one was gungho crazy, would run anything, super cold nose, super hard tree dog, but I coudlnt break him, so I sold him to someone who said they could, and another wouldnt lock up good, so I sold her with them knowin it, and they said they would work with her......as far as pups are concerned, if a dog isnt huntin some by a year old, I will give them away as pets if I can, or if no other avenue is open, cull them.....but a pup, if they are mean, extremely backward,shy towards people and I cant get them out of it, or if they are disfigured......thats the only reason I would cull a pup.....and if I give a dog away as a pet, I keep the papers.....

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Registered: Oct 2003
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I know I've already put my two cents in, but I want to add this.

When I was in high school I knew a die-hard fox hunter who was given many free hounds from people like C.P. Mostly coon hounds that never made the cut. He told me once of a bluetick female he culled because she had stopped running and started treeing.

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"I don't understand Josh
How can you say they don't make good pets. You speak from both sides of your mouth. I've had all kinds of dogs and hounds seem to have the best disposition of them all."


Its not about disposition or being good pets.......

I hunt them hard, If I didnt they would be too much to handle in the house.

You cant simply let them out run, they will leave, maybe come back tonite maybe 4 days from now..........Why would anyone want a dog like that for a pet?

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Brigman - I am sure they are cases or exceptions to every rule. I just stated what I do with my hounds. I know these people personally and keep up with the dogs I give them. Heck if one goes to treeing - I want him or her back!! lol

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Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Terre Haute, IN
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Josh-

I had people tell me that I am a gluton (sp) for punishment because I wanted a coondog as a pet and that I would ruin him and all that. That dog took me about 1 week to house break, about 15 minutes to shake and high five. He will also lay down, fetch what he is supposed to fetch and he wouldn't leave the yard and he was way easier to train than any dog I ever had growing up.
Then, I introduced him to Mr. Coon, the only thing that changes is...yes he will take off and be gone for 4 days if I let him.....which I don't. Either myself or my wife run 4-6 miles with 3 days a week plus he hunts like crazy.....no papers by the way...totally unknown origin. But I agree with the others that someone could use that dog....just don't be so lazy about training them, everything in life takes a little patience...and be selective about who you give them to. My pups will go to youths that are interested in hunting first.

Not to contradict myself, but I do see the point in culling those with defects.

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I cull pups with defects and I cull dogs that have been given a chance, but haven't made it.

I hate to see soft hearted kids get dogs that they think are coon hounds only to be disappointed.

If you wouldn't hunt it don't give it to a kid. Give them a pup in stead.

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Any breed of animal will have those specimans in it which do not qualify to reproduce or carry on that breeds genetics. It is through culling that we are where we are at with the dogs we have today. If more people would cull and put more emphasis on their breeding program you would see our dogs jump forward by leaps and bounds.

Culling does not mean killing either. You can cull a dog by having it neutered and spayed and not letting the papers go with the dog. Allot of reputal breeders of all kinds of animals will not let a substandard speciman leave their kennel, farm etc with papers and the ability to reproduce. This not only hurts the breed it hurts their name as well.

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Art-
Nice post....I see now what the true definition of Culling is. I never looked at them as potential "blood tainters."

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I would say on the average, of the dogs I have seen that most wont....now I have a two year old male, real nice hound, that I can let run loose....he will tree squirrels in the yard, sleeps on the porch, and every now and then he will slip behind the house adn tree a coon.....but I have a buddy who had a 4 year odl female that was a topnotch hound.....she slept in the garage, she could open the door anytime she wanted, and most times you would find her either layin on the porch, or in the garage, and his yard wasnt fenced in.....she was a hard huntin dog, but smart enough to knwo when its time to go, and when its not.....he has had her for over two years, and never had a problem with her leavin the yard......

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I will cull a dog for being mean, for back-tracking, for a physical fault such as hip dysplasia, or for general lack of ability.

I have had to cull two in the last twelve months...one was a good tree dog but he got mean. The other was basically a babbling idiot who ran tracks both ways.

Both were well bred dogs on paper, but recessive traits showed up and I did the right thing. The mean dog I could have sold. I had guys wanting to buy him, because he was a coon dog. But I don't sell ill hounds.

If this philosophy bothers humane society types, I'm sorry, but I am not changeing my mind.

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Registered: Sep 2003
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if they don't make good hunting dogs they should be culled. i just culled a 3.5 year old that was the best tree dog i ever seen but he was very ouchy. just kept getting grouchier so i had to shoot him. stupid animals should be culled. ( to bad its illegll to cull stupid people) lol just joking but if u don't cull them they just get jokied around and sooner or later someone breeds them to try and get there money back that they spent on a worthless dog then u have even more worthless puppies

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