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would you guys rather have a dog thats been linebred for 2-3 generations, pretty tightly, from a family of solid coondogs, or get a dog that has all outcrosses in the 3 generations? I myself would rather have a dog that has been selectively linebred from a good family of coondogs, than a lot of outcrosses....not that it wouldnt be as good as any other dog, but with linebreeding, carefully, I add, you will be able to predict more what you will get, and you will see what the strengths and weakness of your line are......I am askin cause i am gonna be raisin a couple litters that will be linebred to chief strong.......and linebreeding versus outcrossing, in my opinion, you will have good and bad out of both, and I have been told you wont get any better by linebreeding than what you already have.....I am not sure if I agree with this or not....if you select the best to breed to the best out of what you are producing, wont that give you as good a chance as anything to end up with crackerjack hounds? And be able to prodict what you will get?

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I have been linebreeding for years and rarely do it any other way. I want family traits, not titles. I predict what type of dogs my pups may be and can offer many references as to my ability to predict.

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Line breed for consistancy. If you need something in your hounds: track speed, chop mouths, better color. Then go with an outcross, but only breed the best to the best. Genes tend to mutate over generations, some in good ways some in bad ways. If our hounds were in a natural habitat with no control of breeding, over time the traits that would best be suited for survival would eventully be expressed in every individual in that population. They would basically be silent pack hunters like wolves. We are actually breeding away from the dogs natural "instincts": be independent track driving, chop mouth treedogs...in the case of walkers.

Out crosses are not bad things, some pups will be awesome, others good, some average ans then theres the ones not worth shooting. Those need to be culled and not pawned off for a rifle or a pair of boots.

Out crossing does produce hybrid vigor and can be a great addition to a bloodline. Once you made that outcross, look for other dogs that are bred the same way and go back to linebreeding, making your outcross and its hybrid vigor a consistant hereditary lineage.

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for the response Tailkicker, I feel the same way about it, except I hadnt thought of hybrid vigor being related to an outcross.....thought of that more as in breeding two diff breeds together.....but I am gonna make this cross, see what is lacking, and breed for it, and breed to a dog, that if he has any weaknesses, that they woudl be the strengths in my dogs.....say, if I was wantin to add some BIG mouth to my dogs, and there was a stud that had everything but was tight on track, I would want to breed to a female that pleased me, but had to be good and open on track......if you breed selectively to proven producers, I dont think you can go to far off.......

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would you guys, and gals, prefer a dog strongly linebred from a good family of coondogs, or outcrossed from good coondogs......for huntin and breeding.....

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from the Hammer Line. I think it is the way to go. I can't think of a better way to keep the good qualities in a line of dogs. On the other hand, I think you could actually hurt yourself by outcrossing if you were not careful.

I noticed on the pedigee of one of my hounds, Hammer V is there eight times, and I could have missed it a time or two. I will not attempt to figure out Mr Deans formula for dog breeding, but it appears to me he has concentrated on that dog in what I have.

The question was brought up on another thread about Dave Deans close line breeding. I have also noted reading the pedigrees on my dogs that he has introduced quite a bit of outside blood through the females he has used to breed to his Hammer studs.

My own dogs carry a lot of the jet line that was brought in that way. As I said, I am not able to fully understand the thought process of a man who knows all the dogs in all the pedigrees and uses that knowlege to breed his line of dogs. It would take such a knowledge to be really succesful at dog breeding.

I have some pups now from one of my dogs and his daughter. I see nothing wrong with them at this time, and I do not expect any problems to pop up in them.

I only bred these dogs to keep what I like in dogs and not to sell pups. I do not intend to keep breeding these same dogs up close over and over, but I would not be afraid to make another up close cross to preserve what I like in dogs. I would do what needed to be done if a problem did come up in my pups.

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I prefer a good linebred dog with the right kind of history.
Afterall, I did drive 1800 miles this summer to buy a linebred young female. But that is just me.

There are guys out there that do very well making outcrosses too. The common denominator with the guys that have good linebred dogs and those that outcross is tough selection and hard work. I think it really depends on where you want to go. What do you want from your crosses? Do you want consistency? Do you want to go after that elusive world beater & producer? What kind of numbers (crosses and pups) do you want to mess with? There are lot's of things to consider.

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