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2 dogs tree. When you arrive 1 dog is treed up the tree. Coon is seen, the other dog is barking inside the tree, which is hollow at the bottom, and he is face to face with a opposum. This is the same tree. How should these 2 dogs be scored? Need your help to, Todd.

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THE DOG IS AFTER THE OPOSSUM IT'S MOLESTING OFF GAME HE SHOULD BE MINUSED OR SCRATCHED IF NT CH, THE DOG SHOWING TREED SHOULD BE AWARDED POINTS FOR THE COON!!!!

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Well do you want the truth or the true fact. Is the dog mine or yours barking at the possem?

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if this situation is scored as one tree which i believe it should both dogs would receive plus strike and tree points.in accordance with the rules anytime a coon and possum are found in the same tree dogs should be given benefit of the doubt.

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Good question - I feel agruments on both sides of this one. But I think somewhere in the rules that they say if both are seen in a tree -plus the dogs. But if dogs are molesting off game they get minused or scratched (NT. Ch) Hmmmmmmmm - good question

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CP,I couldn't find anything in rule book about if both were seen.But in my opinion plus them both.

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If someone would plus the dog barking face to face with a opposum, i would call that person a cheatin S--. If the MOH said plus i would NEVER hunt in another UKC hunt where he is a MOH. If UKC said plus, i would say there just as dumb as the dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just my opinion.


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That is the rules! Both in the tree....... benefit goes to the dog. If they were in seperate trees 5 foot apart with dogs split..... plus the coon minus or scratch the opossum. Think what you might.... but that is the way it should be scored. How do you know what they ran to the tree? Maybe one dog was barking at the opossum for the convenience. Who knows...... that is why you give the dog the benefit of the doubt.

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also the rules states dogs will be minused or scatched if nt. ch. for off game
I would vote minus both dogs for off game seen. My two cents........

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Rob is right.

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I honestly think Rob is right. Bear hunter I will look in my Advisor later tonight. I might be wrong but I thought I saw it in print somewhere..

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PAGES 166 AND 167 of the ADVISOR has all the answers for you.

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Originally posted by C.P. Richardson
PAGES 166 AND 167 of the ADVISOR has all the answers for you.

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If someone would plus the dog barking face to face with a opposum, i would call that person a cheatin S--. If the MOH said plus i would NEVER hunt in another UKC hunt where he is a MOH. If UKC said plus, i would say there just as dumb as the dog!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just my opinion.


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id say you need to apply some common sense in this situation.if the dog is face to face with a possum he should be minussed or scratched. anything less is wrong no matter what your dang advisor says.
if your advisor tells you that you can pluss a dog when hes barking directly at a possum,face to face,in any situation,then you might as well put that advisor in the outhouse because all its worth is to wipe your a$$ with.

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ease up elvis you got your panty's in a knot lol lol

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No matter how senseless the rules may seem you have to go by them. They are there for a reason. Rob is right. Now I know why so many folks claim to get cheated in the hunts. It's because they don't know the rules or how to apply them.

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Iwould have to diagree with most interpretations of the rules here so far. I am not saying my interpretation is right, but this is how I see it. If dogs show a coon and possum, great no problem, I wold then state pages 166 and 167 of the advisor.

However, the Advisor doesn't say that interpretation allows you to disregard molesting off game. I am sorry, but if a hound is mixing it up with a critter face to face that is molesting!!!!!

In fact read the Advisor on page 104. "For definition purposes, I would say molesting includes fighting or biting." Therefore based on the Advisor plus the dog showing the tree and minus the dog molesting the possum.

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Larry, where does it say that a dog hunting the registered hunt can be minused for molesting off game? If this is a NtCh cast the dog face to face with the possum is scratched for molesting off game. If it's a registered cast that dog can do anything it wants to that possum except tree it. And if you judge the dog to be treeing then you have to plus him because a coon was seen.

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JiM and Rob are correct....Its one of those deals whare you might have to plug your nose when you fill out the card, but thats just the way it is.

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I have been hunting late the last few nights and it caught me this morning. First in my earlier reply and then when I forgot to put the coffee pot in the coffee maker!!!!LOL

Yes, I mixed two seperate rules earlier 4(a) and 6(k). I would have to say based on the rules Jim and the others are correct.

However, I do have a problem with this scenario as I believe the close proximity of the one hound and possum should be enough evidence of showing his game treed, and that face to face contact should be enough evidence to remove the benefit of the doubt.

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Had a buddy of mine hunting a registered hound one night for me. Go to dogs that are treed. Dead possum laying about 15 ft from the tree on the ground. Dogs treed and looking up. Possum looked wet where a dog or dogs got him. All dogs treed though not messing with possum. Judge says if no coon seen, all dogs are minused. The tree they were on was a huge oak and the nearest limb to the ground was 20 feet. No coon seen. Could have been a circle tree. Judge says all dogs minused for possum. His dog was not there. How would you score that one.

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I feel the rule that says if both are in the same tree, are plussed was meant if they are up the tree. Common Sense says a dog barking face to face at a opposum inside a hollow tree, is NOT barking up a tree. I feel to many people are trying the Bill Clinton Rule( Bend the rules to my advantage. ) thanks Elvis and larry for using commen sense,

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Mr.Hershberger, this isn't about common sense, it's about UKC's interpretation of the rule. If you say the dog is not barking up the tree, then it cannot be minused for treeing a possum. And there is no provision in the rules for minuseing a reg. dog for molesting off game. That seems crazy to me, prolly should be changed but it is still the rule. Now if we abandon the rulebook and just replace it with common sense, who's version of common sense do we use for all those other questions?

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BY THE RULES I THINK THEY SHOULD BOTH BE PLUSSED

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