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Question for all you Uthcman Bluetick Men........Do these hounds ever have monkey faces I have never seen one with a monkey face, and if they haven't how have they kept these dogs from having them ????????? I thought it would be most interesting to know this since the other thread is so heated up, and its all my fault.........

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Not in my lifetime!!! I've owned 50-60 Uchtman blue dogs in my life time and seen hundreds of others. Never have I seen a monkey faced blue.

How do they keep them from showing up? I can't answer that one nor will I venture a guess as to why they show up in the other lines.

Answer me this though. You'll find a lot of Black and White blue ticks in the Uchtman strain. Why is that?

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what do you mean by monkey face?

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choppin, check out my webpage, and look at the gyp named moon, she is very monkey faced.....on a side note, I coudlnt care less if they are monkey faced, I kinda like it....

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Bread my Fancy female to Runnin Bullet and no monkey faced pups out of 11.Fancy is Ucthman Rambo all of the pups would tree.

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I see more Blue english dogs with a monkey face than I do Blueticks.

Where does all that white come from in some of the Utchman dogs?

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so from him back you have-Rebel,Carol,Beans Ranger,Utchmans Fly, RangerII,Pardons Blue Ghost(hmmmm), Jack Blue Frost(hmmm), Sherrill's Peggy,Blue Jim,Utchmans Flash,Beans Ranger(agian),Utchmans Cindy,Fletchers Lead,Britt's Blue Deb,Ridens Blue Rambler,Ozark Mt. Blue Lou,Hill's Blue Ace,Parlin's Blue Judy, Killions Blue Loud,Fitzgerald Blue Mae, Smokey River Blue Rambler, Colorado River Blue Bell, Jack Blue Frost(agian),Sherrill's Blue Peggy, Village Creek Joe, Boharts So. Blue Mae,Hill's Blue Ace(agian), Smokey River Blue Sue.
Take you pick acouple by name sure sound guilty,LOL. It will take some one with more intamate knowledge of these hounds than me to make that assumption.

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Genetics is a complicated thing to figure out for example 2 of my kids look just like the UPS man.....I don't think I'm kin to him...just plain confusing. (only joking...the UPS man would be mad if I blamed my kids on him)

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gets around.

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ever seen whitaker's black smokey 2? that high tan is considered monkey face. i imagine the it would mean the same for blues.

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I actually heard they crossed a Walker female with them many years ago but I dont bekieve that. I think it comes from Carol's mamma Pardon's Blue Ghost owned by the late Bill Pendergrass. I saw her personally and she was very, very, very light colored. She was a "coondog"

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Some of it may have come from the Smokey River line as there were quiet a few that color.Diamond Jim himself looked like a Black spotted walker with hardly any blue at all but he threw some of the best colored Blues along with some of the light colored one.

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I happen to like a real light colored blue dog. I also like monkey-faced dogs too so I guess I'm kinda weird LOL!

Whoever had that female "Moon" on their webpage, that ain't that bad monkeyfaced...I like that "Frosty" dog at the top of the page. Good lookin' hound.

to me to be truly monkeyfaced, the punkin seeds over the eyes have to be actually connected to the tan coming back from the muzzle, so the face is solid tan back past the eyes.

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Hawk was a fine looker, and no doubt one of the best reproducers in bluetick history, and Jet V. is running close to have the record of the # 2 . These records of these dogs are a long way from being complete as far as being reproducers of coon dogs by that I mean so many more were produced by these hounds and were never entered in a nite hunt so we have no record of these coon dogs.......A lot of dogs from these two were hunted by the so called pleasure hunter as myself. A pleasure hunter actually ( MY OPINION ) requires more from a dog than a competition hunter we have a tendacy to want a more perfect dog ( there is none ) but I feel we expect more from our hounds. The Uchtman line of blues are really going strong after all these years, and have remained popular through the test of time more so out west, but if you notice they have stayed true to the looks they started with, and they continue to produce a blue dog that can compete in a night hunt, and the shows......

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John Vaught, you keep talking like that and people will start thinking you're switching lines of dogs from Hammer to Uchtman.

Yes I know they have a little Hammer in them too, so come on over, the more the merrier

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I see them in the Vaughn's Bawler line... Smokey River Rambler and Lead came from Bawler..Utchman used them/ owned them early on.....I know he owned Lead before selling him to Leroy Wilt here in Pa. I've never seen an Utchman dog with monkey face coloration... I did have a female from Ranger V's sister that was black and white with ticking.. I just blamed that on old Pardon's Ghost like Texhog said......

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thanx for the comments on my dogs, Moon is just a good ole country coondog, but frosty, the male u liked, is my main dog, at two years of age, hes my pup trainer and check dog....he has a second place in UKC on him, and plannin on finishin him to ntch before season......

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I have nothing against a monkey face, and can see where that type look came from, and Bluestyle about your comment on me thinking my dogs are better than yours, or anyones that is far fron the truth. If you will notice I have never said anything about the ability of my dogs they do tree coons, but are like yours or whoever they are dogs, and do make mistakes. However on the other subject of just a Red Headed Blue Dog I really dislike this, and if that....... pi##es you off or who ever so be it.

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Blue Style. i see what you are talking about now. yes it does look like a monkey face to me... Lee, is that the dog that won winter classic, year before last? if it is i remember seeing it from the side. i dont remember what its face looked like, if its the same one...... oh yea i almost forgot, Blue style thats a great web site you have.. thanks guys............... John Vaught you always have some good posts on here, keep up the good work........ gary woods

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thta's the same dog!!!

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I aint sure I even know what u are talkin bout, red headed dogs, I guess I shoudlnt make a judgement on something I dont know, can u send me a pic, or tell me where to see a redheaded bluetick.....

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I've owned a fe Uchtman bred dogs, and I don't ever remember seeing one red-headed or monkey faced.

As for how they have kept it out, I'd say because they don't breed to a dog that throws it, even if he is the "latest and greatest."

I don't know Doyle, and I've only talked to Wilbern and Lonnie a little bit, so I really am not that familiar with their philosophy, but I know Gary pretty well, and he breeds srictly to suit himself. And he won't feed a monkey-faced or red-headed dog. He doesn't mind them being black and white though, although he prefers a darker Blue than that.

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I personally couldnt care how they are colored, a red head, monkey faced, black and white, if they ahve good confirmation, and hunt to please me, then they can be any of the above, long as they aint pink and green......long as they do it right in the woods, I couldnt care they are colored, long as they fit breed standard, I would rather be picky about things like, oh, what kind of dogs are the parents, grand parents, etc, or how they are bred, or what kind of sense they have, or how they hunt than how they are colored.....that is of little concern to me.....

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Dave Oswald can send you a picture of a re headed dog. Rebel II.

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Utchman's realized quick that this line of dogs didn't reproduce so they quickly discontinued their use in their breeding program. What ever that used, and whatever they did to make the recipe they have now it has worked, as you or I can see that line of dogs have stood the test of time, and you can spot that line of dogs a mile away ( good looks ), and yes you have heard me tease,and say things about other than this thought, but as the time rolls on and we continue to read these post you will see that I like to stir the pile what ever pile you may have I will stir it up. So get usev to it, and enjoy it I

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