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4 dog cast one dog is treed and tree is closed another dog comes treed man trees him same area but man says he is split cast gets there and they are treed together. cant remember if he said they had a coon or possum either way how do you score it?

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The 2nd dog treed is minus 125 tree points and his strike points !!!!

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it wouldnt matter if there was a coon or possum or circle or slick he would still be minus cause the guy said he was split from the other dog. correct? the guy should have said he diddnt know if they was together and wait until the cast got to the tree to determine if they was split or not correct?

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Minus 125 tree and strike anytime you tree after tree is closed you go in for 125. The handler should not of called his dog split thats a judges call.

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Whether or not the handler said he was split doesn't matter. Since he called him treed after the tree was closed, the dog automatically goes down as a split tree for 125. He will get those points minused if found on the same tree as dog A. He should not have called him treed, until he knew without a doubt he was split.

Strike points will be scored according to how the tree is scored.
(+)...... Minus strike points
(--)......Minus strike and next available tree
(C).......Circle strike

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Whether or not the hander said he was split doesn't matter. Since he called him treed after the tree was closed, the dog automatically goes down as a split tree for 125. He will get those points minused if found on the same tree as dog A. He should not have called him treed, until he knew without a doubt he was split.

Strike points will be scored according to how the tree is scored.
(+)...... Minus strike points
(--)......Minus strike and next available tree
(C).......Circle strike

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Anytime you tree your dog after a tree is dead you are automatically declaring your dog split. Many newcomers and in experienced handlers do this.

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Why not declare the dog treed if you think could be split???? If the dog is split it did have to be declared treed, and if it's not it takes next available for being there when the judge arrives.

Had this happen a couple years ago in a hunt. Judge told me I shouldn't tree. One dog took minus, mine got 125+

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Why not declare the dog treed if you think could be split???? If the dog is split it did have to be declared treed, and if it's not it takes next available for being there when the judge arrives.

Had this happen a couple years ago in a hunt. Judge told me I shouldn't tree. One dog took minus, mine got 125+

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When hound A is treed and you split tree hound B in the same area, hound B is getting ready for a minus if either hound moves. If you can designate the different trees then certainly split tree your hound.

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Im NOT treeing after the 5 unless the judge knows full well mines spit. If I was gonna tree it would be for a quarter if I really couldn't tell and needed the points Then I wouldn't be out much if mine was in fact split.

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Im NOT treeing after the 5 unless the judge knows full well mines spit. If I was gonna tree it would be for a quarter if I really couldn't tell and needed the points Then I wouldn't be out much if mine was in fact split.

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Pitch em on in there buddy. No different than these folks stealing first strike with loose mouth dogs. The judge don't have to take my call. LoL! !!!

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Pitch em on in there buddy. No different than these folks stealing first strike with loose mouth dogs. The judge don't have to take my call. LoL! !!!

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Rule 4 (k) any dogs declared treed after 5mins expires and tree is closed;call will be accepted as a split tree. If dog is on closed tree when judge arrives, tree points will be minused. Strike points scored in accordance with 4 (d)
4 (d) if dog is declared treed, After 5mins has elaspsed NO additional dog can be declared treed at that particular tree but if they come in to tree will get minus on track and nothing on tree if coon is seen.


Dog B would be minused as soon as judge sees dog B treeing on dog A(s) tree. Since the handler treed him he is automatically split.

You now handle dog A and B if coon is seen dog B is minus strike points. Dog A is plus tree and strike.

If dog A has a oppossum. If your huntn ntch or grntch cast dog A and B are scratched. Dog A for treeing off game and dog b for running/molesting off game since he or she is not actually treed in on the oppossum.
If your hunting open dog A is minus tree and strike. Dog B would have deleted strike points.
Dog B is deleted strike if dog A has a circle tree.


No judge should ever take a handlers opinion on weither or not dog is split. If dog is treed in and dogs are in same area dogs will be treed in order and tree will be split when judge can obviously tell dogs are split.
This gets rid of this situtation.
Handler A trees his dog handler B trees his and says mine is deeper. Judge agrees they sound farther apart in distance and splits you walk straight in and find yourself a big tree with dog A on your side and dog B on the otherside or head in hole at base. One dog is now subject to take minus and its the judges fault for spliting them. And now your find yourself in bind of crooked judge erasing his mistake feeling bad and does what he should of did when dogs were called and puts dogs in order of tree not minusing. NOTE no handler should ever let judge do this one dog HAS to take minus to keep cast in order and saves you and others from getting banned.

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