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I think it reads if the aggressor is known scratch that dog only. How many of you do that if you were on a cast where you plainly see one dog reach over and grab a dog than that dog defending itself grabs it back would scratch both dogs or just the aggressor. Especially if its a three dog cast, are you going to play the "Well boys I didn't see the whole thing, I just see both dogs balled up", think about it hard because I've seen this happen to people in the hunt this weekend while I was spectating. Me knowing if I was behind the whole pack and seen it and it was a four dog cast and wasn't our dog. And by the way I don't and want hunt a dog that will even retaluate against one because of this.

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you scratch the dog that started it.

IMO there is a difference between a gator, and a dog that wont be run off the tree

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You never really know what happened before you get to the tree. Some dogs will get brave when their owners get there, while others take the low road.

If its when you turn the dogs loose were you can see everything, well thats another story.

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Originally posted by wrinkletreeknls
you scratch the dog that started it.

IMO there is a difference between a gator, and a dog that wont be run off the tree

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you have to scratch both dogs unless you see it bad break for the dog that wont move

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What state you see this happen , this past weekended ? Sounds like a familiar cast ?

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IF THE UKC WILL SCRATCH THE DOG, THE OWNER AND OR THE HANDLER IT WILL STOP IT. THE THIRD TIME THEN BAR THE DOG FOR GOOD AND THE OWNER AND HANDLE FOR A YEAR THE FIRST TIME. IF A PERSON HAS A ROUGH DOG- HE KNOWS IT, IVE PUT THIS ON HERE MANY TIMES AND HAVE GOT NO RESPONCE FROM UKC MMMMMMMM

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Registered: Jul 2005
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hmmm heard something like this happened at the bear creek this weekend!!! Then also heard the dog that didnt get scratched still had problems later on in the hunt!! Just second hand though... had to laugh!! Glad i wasnt involved!!

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shoot the dog than beat the owners and or handlers *** cause he or the should no better

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Personally I scratch the dog that I seen start it. If I don't see which dogs starts it then I have no choice but to scratch them both. I think many dogs that are not mean, but get caught up in a fight, (WAY TOO OFTEN) get scratched for defending themselves.

There is a BIGGG defference between an aggressor and a defender yet in most cases, they will both get wrote up for being mean, especially so if its going to allow the other guy(s) in the cast to hunt alone for the rest of the night.

A dog that is giving ground, but yet still challenging the aggressor to leave him/her alone or there's going to be trouble, is not necessarily mean and may simply be telling the bully to leave them alone or there's going to be trouble. It is not fair to write that dog up yet most of the time that is what happens.

Many hunters don't seem to know how to read body language of dogs well enough, when arriving at the tree, to interpret who is pushing on who. That dog that keeps pressuring the dog to move to the back side of the tree or get thrown over the hill is usually the aggressor but will most always get the second dog scratched as well, when exhibiting this behavior.


I would like to see the rule changed to read something like this;

Upon arrival to a tree where aggressive behavior is being exhibited, Judge is to scratch the aggressor if known, aggressor to be determind by the dog witnessed initiating (INITIAL) contact in view of the judge and/or majority of the cast members, and have them written up, (scratched for fighting). If aggressor is not known, and dogs are (in battle) with physical contact evident, scratch all dogs involved and have them written up.

If aggressive behavior is evident but NO phisical contact is observed Judge is to disqualify the dominant dog. Dominance to be determined by dog that is holding the dominant position on the tree, and exhibiting face barking and/or voice inflection behavior. If unable to determine which dog is holding (dominant) position, with face barking and voice infection evident, disqualify all involved when said behavior is significantly effecting the ability of any dog(s) ability to tree up on the tree.

Three disqualifications equal one scratch. Three scratches follow existing UKC protocol.

Just my opinion and with that and about one dollar you can buy a cup of coffee and enjoy it with your friends. Good Luck on this one.

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Other than the dog "holding dominant position" on the tree . I agree with it all. Unless it is a leaning tree where a coon had to crawl up one side I don't know what a dominant position could be.

That is the best reason I know for me to hunt my pack of dogs whether I pack hunt them or not. Like you said :I can read body language , and my Dominater is fixing to see miles and miles of SC when my foot launches him clean over that tree. If I were to launch yours I could expect a fight and if you were to launch mine you could expect a fight, so that is the best reason i know to hunt your own pack of dogs so ypu don't have to make one bit of of an excuse for any dog under that tree,

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