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HIDEHUNTER21
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 Babbling Idiots Need Scratched!!

everybodies talking about silent dogs. these idiots that leave barking are stealing points!! they get a 1st through 3rd strike and the poor dog thats hunting for the meat is actually getting the shaft.

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 minus them

I seen it done

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Shouldn't be a problem to minus them where you live if coon are as thin as people say.

Not a problem here because coon or so thin that the 8 will catch a babbler a lot.

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Shouldn't be a problem to minus them where you live if coon are as thin as people say.

Not a problem here because coon or so thin that the 8 will catch a babbler a lot.


Yep here too. I would go for the 8 being moved down to 5 but we have the chance to minuse the babbler. If they strike it on a babble it better babble to a tree. It isn't hard to tell if it is babbleing or working.

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It ain't really the babblers. Its these that are automatic strike dogs. These start barking and never shut up . Ever. They bark all night. You will not minus them on a 8 or 5 and the hunts are being flooded with em. Good thing is. Most are rattled brained idiots that can't do nothing but all of them ain't and those are the ones that will get ya.

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If you are going to hunt in the hunts around here you better get use to it or get a different dog.

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i sure as hell aint getting use to it , screw those babbling idiots i would get rid of every one of them. and people wonder why the hunts have low numbers

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Huh?


I thought the silent dogs were ruining nite hunts?

I absolutely HATE a loose mouthed dog, but you get one that never shuts up and gets under a coon pretty often and you got a winner.

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Huh?


I thought the silent dogs were ruining nite hunts?

I absolutely HATE a loose mouthed dog, but you get one that never shuts up and gets under a coon pretty often and you got a winner.


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If mine is automatic and gets 100 and yours is silent for 25. We tree you get 125 and I get 75. I'm up 175 to 150. Then you have to hope mine messes up or you get alone because when I get every first strike it gets tough.


I did have a dog that was almost dead silent but I did get alot of first or second stikes with him
I guess what you are sayin is you was good at pitchin him

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 babbling

then they breed them; just what everybody needs.

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then they breed them; just what everybody needs.


sure hides are not worth much and teach them to split tree
who ever has the most strike pts win 100 both ways.

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It ain't really the babblers. Its these that are automatic strike dogs. These start barking and never shut up . Ever. They bark all night. You will not minus them on a 8 or 5 and the hunts are being flooded with em. Good thing is. Most are rattled brained idiots that can't do nothing but all of them ain't and those are the ones that will get ya.

I had one of those this year A babbling fool that would get under a coon quick Finished him to NTCH with two firsts and a second Didnt take me long to sell him I dont like it but he was hard to beat

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It ain't really the babblers. Its these that are automatic strike dogs. These start barking and never shut up . Ever. They bark all night. You will not minus them on a 8 or 5 and the hunts are being flooded with em. Good thing is. Most are rattled brained idiots that can't do nothing but all of them ain't and those are the ones that will get ya.


Isn't that what a babbler is? That's what I consider an "automatic strike dog". They're one and the same.

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They get minused up here if they strike in the first minute and dont continue openin steady

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What do you call one that goes crazy for about 5 seconds after you unsnap it? Then never say's another word until struck but goes on to get first strike about 98% of the time. Doesn't do a bunch of treeing ( slicks) but has the meat when parked. Will not back another dog for nothing.

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What do you call one that goes crazy for about 5 seconds after you unsnap it? Then never say's another word until struck but goes on to get first strike about 98% of the time. Doesn't do a bunch of treeing ( slicks) but has the meat when parked. Will not back another dog for nothing.

I SAY THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT !

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I SAY THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT !


I like it all but not backing another dog. I wouldn't feed one that wouldn't show me the first coon it comes to weather another dog is there or not.

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What do you call one that goes crazy for about 5 seconds after you unsnap it? Then never say's another word until struck but goes on to get first strike about 98% of the time. Doesn't do a bunch of treeing ( slicks) but has the meat when parked. Will not back another dog for nothing.


It's a babbler.

If it babbles it's a babbler, end of story.

It's not a bad babbler, but it's a babbler. Don't get me wrong I could live with that, but I wouldn't like it. I have never hunted a dog you couldn't strike the second it opened because I have never had one with a babble in it period....................................until now.

I have the first dog I ever owned that babbles right now. Just got a new collar and am gonna fix that. Can't stand it.

I won't own one that babbles. He does it, he's still very young, and it's all excitement but he's gonna learn to use his excitement in a different way, and yes I am fully aware that it makes him hard to beat, but I DON'T CARE. I can't stand babblers and he's gonnna stop one way or the other.

I am one that wishes they would completely do away with the minute. Make folks strike that dog that opens on the turn loose and make em take minus as is appropriate. All the minute does is make it easier for automatic strike dogs to steal points.

Did I mention I hate babblers? LOL.

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An automatic strike dog is one that barks off the lead.

A babbler is one who barks all over the woods and doesn't shut up.

A dog can be either or both.

If he waits til he gets out in the dark before babbling, he isn't an automatic strike dog. If he barks off the lead and never shuts up, he's an automatic strike dog and a babbler. Or, if he barks off the lead but then shuts up until he gets out and gets a track, he is an automatic strike dog. BUT whether or not you strike him is another matter. There are automatic strike dogs, and then there are automatic strike HANDLERS. According to the rules, you should not strike him off the lead and can be minused if you do and he doesn't continue the track. But, if the coons are the least bit think, usually they'll end up on a tree and you can't prove he wasn't on track off the lead.

The babbler is the tougher one (and especially if they are automatic also) because they are always going to get first strike when they are not really on track. That's hard to prove if they end up on a tree without the 8 getting them.

I too am in favor of reducing the 8 to 5 or maybe even 3. Every dog I've owned that was on a real track opened at least every minute or so. When the dog barks at 7 min. 45 seconds, he probably left the first track and found another.

Another suggestion....perhaps the rules could be changed to NOT allow a dog to be struck in the first 30 seconds. Just an idea.

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 babbling dogs

I have seen a ton of them.I look at it this way they cant help it.Its liek a person taht doesnt shut up its just there nature.I dont have one and i seen fellas thta think they have a dog that is the greatest I wouldnt feed I think people get attached to a dog and its there best freind.I know a guy that had a dog i would of liked to kick every time i was around it but old smokey was the best in his book.Me I have one of those darn rolling hills bred dogs tight mouthed alot of 2 3or4 strike dogs but he will get teh job done happy huntin everybody

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the best place to scratch them is on their bellies. They just love it. lol

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If mine is automatic and gets 100 and yours is silent for 25. We tree you get 125 and I get 75. I'm up 175 to 150. Then you have to hope mine messes up or you get alone because when I get every first strike it gets tough.


I did have a dog that was almost dead silent but I did get alot of first or second stikes with him


I have completely lost track of how many casts I have lost that very way. It is hard to beat a babbling dog that covers everything all night.

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I have completely lost track of how many casts I have lost that very way. It is hard to beat a babbling dog that covers everything all night.


If it is a true babbler that just covers other dogs all night and you can't beat it with a good hound your dog needs another handler. It might get first strike but it won't ever get first tree.

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If it is a true babbler that just covers other dogs all night and you can't beat it with a good hound your dog needs another handler. It might get first strike but it won't ever get first tree.


First strike, second tree=175
Third strike, first tree=175

Get fourth strike and first tree, you settle for 150. You can take first tree all night and if the other dog covers at the drop of a hat, you have to hope the other dog screws up, because it is very hard to beat a dog taking 175 on every tree.

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