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Heres what happened last nite,,I want to know the correct way of handling this If it were to ever arise Again
Dog A is treed for 125 Dog B is treed for 75 Dog C gets Split and is treed for 125 only about 1 minute has gone by on the first dogs tree,,but since all dogs were declared treed we start going to them, About 1 minute going towards them Dog A moves to dog C trees. Handler of Dog A Minus him and trees him back in for 75 with Dog C.

Hers the Question ,,when all dogs are declared treed,,does it close the trees.

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My guess would be no but that is an interesting question. I say no because I have never heard or read where all dogs being treed automatically closes all trees.

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My guess would be no but that is an interesting question. I say no because I have never heard or read where all dogs being treed automatically closes all trees.

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Hers the Question ,,when all dogs are declared treed,,does it close the trees.

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When all dogs are declared treed then the tree is closed and you go in and handle. A dog that leaves one tree to go to another can not be retreed because trees are closed. Dog A would have been minus on tree, and gotten his strike awarded according to what was in the other tree- minus if there was a coon, circle or minus if appropriate. No way for that dog to get tree points though.

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Heres what happened last nite,,I want to know the correct way of handling this If it were to ever arise Again
Dog A is treed for 125 Dog B is treed for 75 Dog C gets Split and is treed for 125 only about 1 minute has gone by on the first dogs tree,,but since all dogs were declared treed we start going to them, About 1 minute going towards them Dog A moves to dog C trees. Handler of Dog A Minus him and trees him back in for 75 with Dog C.

Hers the Question ,,when all dogs are declared treed,,does it close the trees.

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When all dogs are declared treed then the tree is closed and you go in and handle. A dog that leaves one tree to go to another can not be retreed because trees are closed. Dog A would have been minus on tree, and gotten his strike awarded according to what was in the other tree- minus if there was a coon, circle or minus if appropriate. No way for that dog to get tree points though.

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dog A would also take an editinal 125- for being retread. because if you tree after the trees are closed, the judge has to put you down for 125 regardless where your dog is at.

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Wouldn't the judge actually have to refuse the call?
Problem here is that if the judge didn't know enough to tell handler of dog A that the trees were closed already and that he could not retree him, he would probably not know that he could not accept the call, or what to do if he did accept the call.

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Wouldn't the judge actually have to refuse the call?
Problem here is that if the judge didn't know enough to tell handler of dog A that the trees were closed already and that he could not retree him, he would probably not know that he could not accept the call, or what to do if he did accept the call.

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Maybe the handler should know enough to know he cant retree unless he goes in for 125 saying his dog is split

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truely, you were right before they passed rule 4(k).

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I can't believe that there is a rule question that everyone agrees on! I saw this happen on a cast at The Grand American one year. The judge allowed him to tree his dog and I questioned it.

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The Judge was dog A, I was Dog C ,,and brought this up..I won the cast..when i got back to the Clubhouse the MOH said the 5 was still running,and he didn't need to be minused,If this call would of decided the cast ,,i was prepared to send it to UKC in writing, but as I stated this tree did not effect the outcome of the cast.


i thought I was rite ,,saying the trees were closed ,once all dogs were declared treed,, I still hope Alan ,comments on this Monday Morning.

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Ok, rule 4 C. states that a dog will receive minus if dog is declared treed and dog leaves the tree which dog A did just that.. Thats the first part.. The next part of it says that if the dog returns to the tree within the five minutes he will receive the next available position unless all of the dogs have been declared teed which they were, so the dog cannot be declared treed again. If a judge would minus a handler for treeing a dog on a closed tree, there would have to be at least one dog still trailing.. The only minus that the dog could receive is covered in 4 D. If dog declared treed after the five minutes has elapsed no additional dog can be treed on that tree, but if they come in, will receive minus on track only.if coon is seen.. So there is a few things that need to be taken into accountability. Was a coon seen? and what strike position did dog A have? I'll just assume that dog a had 1 strike 1st tree and give the dogs the benefit of the doubt that a coon was seen.. In that case dog A would receive minus 225.. He gets minus 125 on the first tree that he left and gets minus on his first strike for coming into a closed tree after all dogs have been declared treed.. And, this dog gets handled until both of the trees are scored. Someone is going to say this is wrong because 4 K says that a call will be accepted if a dog trees after the tree is closed, but if the dog is on a closed tree when the judge arrives will receive minus on tree points and strike points will be scored according to rule 4 D. This rule does not apply being that all dogs have been declared treed in accordance with 4 C.

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Well you're wrong. 4(k) applies ANYTIME a dog is declared treed and all are trees closed.

Dog A is minused 125 for leaving his tree, minused 125 under 4(k) when he retreed him and handled him with dog C who's treed was closed when dog A was retreed and also minused his strike points if dog C had a coon.

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Maybe the handler should know enough to know he cant retree unless he goes in for 125 saying his dog is split

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UNBELIEVABLE that some people are so far off base with a simple rule that any novice should know.

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i know of one guy that got screwed out of getting his dog qualified last night because the judge didn't know this rule, and he didn't have 20 bucks in his pocket to question the call.

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i know of one guy that got screwed out of getting his dog qualified last night because the judge didn't know this rule, and he didn't have 20 bucks in his pocket to question the call.

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They do require a MOH at qualifiers but questions to the MOH require a $20.00 deposit at all RQE's.

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Well you're wrong. 4(k) applies ANYTIME a dog is declared treed and all are trees closed.

Dog A is minused 125 for leaving his tree, minused 125 under 4(k) when he retreed him and handled him with dog C who's treed was closed when dog A was retreed and also minused his strike points if dog C had a coon.

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So, you're saying that you can call a dog split treed on a tree that is already being called split treed? Who is he split treed from?

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That's a rule I don't like If you know they are split a separate 5 should be started on all dogs split !!!

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So, you're saying that you can call a dog split treed on a tree that is already being called split treed? Who is he split treed from?

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