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Just thought I'd start a post of dog traders online, it's so funny if u get on here a good bit, seems like some of these guys are pull top bear dogs out there ass or must have a tree in there back yard that grows them lol one day a guy is sellin out for such in such reason then two wks later he's selling a completely different pack, wow I gotta few good ones that money can't buy but these guys seem to have just a unlimited amount of them.

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Plenty of dog jockeys out West, always have young and finished dogs that will get the job done for the right price. I've sold two dogs over the years and kept the rest--one or both of those dogs I wish I'd kept but were sold to guides that were in need of one good dog to get their clients or dogs to the tree, and they were both sold for a fraction of what the dog jockeys in the know would have taken for them...........

I've watched this program for years, a guy has a couple old lion or bear hounds and they breed up heavy and dump those pups in behind the old dogs after bear, then sell those dogs as started hounds for two or three thousand bucks. Imagine buying a started hound that hasn't ever caught anything on it's own for three thousand bucks?

Then those dog jockeys get into the veteran hounds and they are four to six thousand bucks, and then a guy hopes that he bought a hound that will cold trail, tree and catch it's own game. Personally I've never bought a started hound as they all came from pups in my back yard. My Maverick Plott dog is the only exception and and a good friend gave him to me as a yearling for taking him bear hunting and helping him running down a nice boar.....

I read somewhere that a guy was having trouble with his lion hounds on bears, that they were quitting one by one and coming to the truck. Good lord they were talking about getting airedales and doberman pinchers hoping those dogs would help them put up a mean bear.

First off, no dog will make a bear climb that doesn't want to cause if they are too gritty they don't last long. That plott dog of mine is out of Joe Hudson's Shamrock plott dogs and they are suppose to pull hair and have the claim of making rough bears climb. And he will kill a big boar coon without hastitaion, or a porky as well. However, as a yearling he would show a bear respect and put the teeth to their rump but pull out and face bark a bear when the teeth came back his way. And that's all a guy can expect if he wants that dog to stay in his pack, to turn them and plant their teeth then turn loose and save their own hide.

Have you ever had that problem? That is had dogs quit a bear? I must have been lucky and fallen into the the right stuff when I started, or that is what Hal Mecham told me. Hal claims it just didn't happen for me that they came from a long line of lion and bear dogs and that surely helps I suppose. But truthfully if my hounds would quit the rough bears, the ones I hunt for and the ones I want to kill, then I'd get rid of them or get out of the sport..........

http://www.ingramwildlife.com/bearhole.wmv

this is what a pack of bear dogs are suppose to do with a bear.......

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Most dog traders have absolutely no clue what there tryin to sell they pick up someone else's cull real cheap then turn around an try to sell it as something it's not, allota times they have never even seen the hound in the woods, occasionally they sell a good dog but not on purpose, my top rig dog came from one but I was tipped off that he had the female from a friend an he never had a clue to what he had. An since then he has tried an tried to buy the dog back for 5 times what I gave for her. I don't care who u are it not possible to own 30 hounds an hunt them like they should be an know what each one will do an not do that takes time an lots of it in the woods. An half the time the papers if the dog has any really don't even go with the dog they sellin it's from something else they've picked up.

An I've seen guys do the same thing Ike go to tryin pit crosses airdales an who knows what on bears to try to make them climb, point is if he doesn't want to he ain't goin to it's simple as that I don't care what u put on the thing. I personally got four dogs that will stop any bear he may not climb but he'll have to stop an fight , i don't personally like extra gritty dogs cause they don't last an I don't like stichin them up. Had a plott I gave away that only got cut on the front end an usually when one dog jumps they all do an I like what I got so I gave him away.

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so you guys have never had a hound come off a bear?
do you guys have mean bears.
kinda sounds like you guys have wonder dogs
i am not trying to start anything but it seams fishy that you claim to never have a dog come off a mean bear

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im not sure how u got that but thats not the case at all i dont think i know of anyone near me thats hasnt had one quit at some point or another, but ill tell u this it wont happen many times or they wont be eattin my feed, thing is to have smart hounds that apply pressure not idiots that run in any get there heads knocked off. had a young female come out the other day after gettin cut up pretty good since then had her on a couple more that wouldnt climb but shes been there till the end every time since.

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