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The question I have is my dog is pretty much silent on track until he trees. Im thinking this would be a fail on that part but will he still be passed on the overall test since he will get two out of the three requirements.Any info would be greatly appreciated..Thanks

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no your dog would not pass

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It's for dogs that are proved to be open trailers. I have a dog that is liable to step over in the woods and tree a winded layup. But he'll have the rest of the time to get on a track and do it right. If he shows me several coons in the alotted time, so what?

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the requirements state that the dog must open on trail doesn't say he has to be a babbling idiot. if the dog opens and can be struck before he trees he will do fine.....

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strike him on his locate... then tree him... thats what they do in the hunts lol

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the requirements state that the dog must open on trail doesn't say he has to be a babbling idiot. if the dog opens and can be struck before he trees he will do fine.....

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IF HE OPENS AND GETS TREED BEFORE THE EIGHT MINITS GET'S HIM HE SHOULD BE OK. YOU DO HAVE TO CALL HIM TREED TO START THE 5 MINTIS. ON THE TREE

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IF HE OPENS AND GETS TREED BEFORE THE EIGHT MINITS GET'S HIM HE SHOULD BE OK. YOU DO HAVE TO CALL HIM TREED TO START THE 5 MINTIS. ON THE TREE

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strike him on his locate... then tree him... thats what they do in the hunts lol

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he could open just under every 8 minits and run a track for awhile untill he's treed, that would be semi-silent. if he tree's and stay's and has the coon pass him.

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he could open just under every 8 minits and run a track for awhile untill he's treed, that would be semi-silent. if he tree's and stay's and has the coon pass him.

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I might go with that. And it must be a pretty cold track to only get 3 barks out of in 21 minutes. At least he opens some on trail. But how about if he strikes to the right and 7.5 minutes later, trees two hundred yards to the left? To me that's silent . Many dogs will give you a strike bark and sneak in the rest of the way.

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I might go with that. And it must be a pretty cold track to only get 3 barks out of in 21 minutes. At least he opens some on trail. But how about if he strikes to the right and 7 minutes later, trees two hundred yards to the left? To me that's silent . Many dogs will give you a strike bark and sneak in the rest of the way. The ones that don't, your only option is strike him on his first tree bark and then tree him and I wonder if that would fool the judge? Just hope he doesn't go right into a steady chop?

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Originally posted by l.lyle
I might go with that. And it must be a pretty cold track to only get 3 barks out of in 21 minutes. At least he opens some on trail. But how about if he strikes to the right and 7 minutes later, trees two hundred yards to the left? To me that's silent . Many dogs will give you a strike bark and sneak in the rest of the way. The ones that don't, your only option is strike him on his first tree bark and then tree him and I wonder if that would fool the judge? Just hope he doesn't go right into a steady chop?
to me thats a silent dog, but you have to go with the rule's you have. striking him on a tree bark then treeing him is not a fault but not a pass, depending on the judge, i would not pass him on that

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I he did a layup I would just hope that track 2 would be a track so I could prove to the judge he was an open trailer. If he did two more layups on the way out, so what, he has proved to be an open trailer on a track. One track out of four is all it takes to pass and one of those can have a big error, say slick tree...

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i may be wrong but they have to do it all on the same track, hunt, strike, open trail, tree for 5 minits, and see coon. the tracks before that one dont meen anything unless there were faults

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The trouble with Honor Rules and knowing your dog is you can say "Judge he quit that track". For example, he strikes at the foot of the dike you turn him loose on. A minute later he opens again going to the right and you know by then that ain't no hot track and he opens again another hundred yards in another minute and then he does an aw sht bark I can tel the judge right then he quit that track or at least that end of the track and sure enough, two minutes later he is two hundred yards to the left and opening on what proves to be a pretty good workable track. Did he catch a better track or did he quit the backtrack of the same coon and get on the right end? Don't matter the 8 did not catch him at least to comp hunters but I think I know and I would call him like I see it. Do I really know? No , but one day when they got GPS collars to put on coons I can look on the track on the machine and tell for sure if he was backtracking and straightened it out or if he quit and got on another. Untill then nobody will ever know for sure unless they watched that coon before dark.

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That's the way I see it too. You can't expect a dog that winds a layup to be barking on a track. But say he has that coon then track 1 would not pass the dog I would hope because he never open trailed . I don't think I could get by with my dog by striking him on a locate because his quick little owowow says locate to anybody that has ever heard a dog. But I guess some chop all the way dogs might get by. So now its track two and it is a track and he opens Like he normally does and trees it then he would get a pass based on that track but he still has thirty minutes to hunt that he can only chase one armadillo, quit a track by letting the 8 catch him, slick tree, leave a tree, or not go hunting so it's not over till it's over. And I guess by what it says if he is working a track at the end of the hour he can be allowed another 15 minutes to get one treed provided the 8 don't catch him a nd give him 2 faults 2 minutes before the hour and fifteen minutes is up , even though he did one track all the way right. That kind of technicality I wonder about but then I get to thinking about that kinf of technical BS I might as well be competion hunting LOL. I sure want to keep the rules simple because I am a simple man that knows what a simple dog is doing because he is telling me in simple language. I also don't yet get why the form says Open On Track (hound only). dot they do cur and feist HTX?

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track two he would pass, has to hunt the the rest of the time out with out two faults, he can get 15 minutes if he's trailing when time is out if he didnt already pass

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That's what I'm think too but if he did pass and he is trailing when the hour is up I'm thinking he better keep it open or get it treed in the next 15 minutes. Or can you tell the judge at the hour I want to quit now because he has passed already? That part is not clear to me. And another part that is not clear to me is do you have to go by the Comp rules in all other respects, such as I find 3/4 of the coon I tree on the away into the tree. I have no problem with the judge going on in to the tree to make his determination about treeing. I am a meat and pleasure hunter. What do I want to go to a tree for if I get a wink before I get there. The dogs sure ain't going to get petted till the coon hits the ground any way. But on a HTX i know you can't kill coons but do you have to go in and "handle" your dog? And can't shine the tree till told to handle your dog?

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HERE ARE THE RULES COPIED STRAIGHT FROM THE RULES PAGE.

Hunt Test Evaluation Rules

There is no restriction as to the number of people who may accompany an evaluation, except in cases where it will jeopardize permission of the guide.

1. Dogs must be free cast to search for wild game. Evaluations may not be done:


A) in enclosures

B) off feeders

C) on game seen crossing road

2. Dogs shall be hunted for one hour. If the dog is trailing as time runs out, hunting time may be extended for an additional 15 minutes if the dog has not completed the requirements for a pass during the hour. Dogs shall be picked up prior to completion of the hour for having committed two of the listed standard faults or the same standard fault on two separate occasions.

3. Dogs shall either pass or fail the evaluation. A dog will be awarded a pass for satisfying each of the Standard Requirements on the same track, while hunting for one hour, without committing two Standard Faults.

4. Requirements Defined

A) Went Hunting - Dog must go hunting alone and search for track. Hunters may proceed slowly in the direction they wish to hunt but are not to walk a dog that will not go hunting without first considering it one fault.

B) Open on Track - Dogs must open on track at least every 8 minutes. Dogs that tree without first opening on track will not be penalized, nor will they receive a pass on that track for the open trailing requirement.

C) Treed & Stay Treed - Once it is determined that the dog has settled on a tree, dog must be allowed to tree for a period of five minutes before hunters arrive.

D) Coon Seen - A handler may use as much of his hunting time as he wishes (within reason) to search a tree. A dog may receive credit if the coon is found in a tree no more than one tree away where a coon could have legitimately crossed over. At least one of the inspectors must see the coon.
5. Faults Defined

A) Off Game - Dog will receive a fault for running, treeing, baying or catching off game. Any animal other than a coon will be considered off game. Handlers will be required to use their one hour hunting time to recover dogs running fast game.

B) Slick Tree - Dog will receive a fault for treeing on a tree where it is obvious there is no coon.

C) Quit Track - When it's obvious that a dog has quit a track that he was open on and attempting to work he will be faulted. Failure to open for 8 minutes will be considered quitting.

D) Handling Issues - If dog cannot be caught to be handled at tree, truck or in the woods, it shall receive a fault. If the dog bites any participant, it shall receive a fault.

E) Leaving Tree / Milling Around - Inspectors should give plenty of leniency in regard to treeing style. However, dogs that leave tree will be faulted as will dogs that are off the tree showing a lack of serious interest in treeing.

F) Failed To Hunt - Dogs are required to make an honest effort to go hunting alone. Failure to do so will result in a fault.
6. Owner / Handler Sportsmanship Disqualification - Inspectors may be asked questions regarding their evaluation in the field. If at any time the tone gets confrontational, inspectors are instructed to immediately fail the dog. Should a handler disagree with an evaluation, they may submit a written explanation of their disagreement to UKC within 7 days. UKC will review prior to recording evaluation.

7. Electronic Devices Prohibited. Training collar may be worn, but transmitter must be left at vehicle. No electronic squallers. Tracking collars are permitted. No other electronic devices besides a hunting light may be used.

8. Taking Game Prohibited. Individuals found guilty of taking any game or damaging any dens or trees will be dealt with under the Inherent Rights and Powers of United Kennel Club, Inc. Additionally, state and local laws must always be followed.

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shoot they dont even have hunt test in florida tried to set 1 up with no answers

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