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Has UKC approved showing neutered/spayed dogs in bench shows yet???
I think they approved showing all the 'other' breeds as alters???
If not yet then when???
It makes no sense to not allow them to be shown, especially in todays era of mandatory spay and neuter and way cheaper licenses for altered dogs (and getting it frozen and doing AI keeps getting better and cheaper).
Personally I am just getting sick and tired of my males p*ssing on everything and I'd just as soon get most of them collected and neutered.
Anyone know anything yet? Hope they approve it soon....snip, snip!!

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I hear ya, I have two standing in line to get done. Joker is a GRCH and I have two pups off him now... But I hate the idea that if I get him cut I can never throw him up there for an RQE or Sectional. But he's going on 4 days of not eating becaue I have 2 females in heat, so he might just die before then anyways (if I don't kill him first)

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I wish they would allow spayed and neutered animals to be shown. They are just as beautiful as unaltered animals. I think of all the coon hounds that end up in shelters and how many people might adopt them and put them in shows if it were allowed. Plus, some folks just want their dogs spayed and neutered because they are not going to breed them. And it would be nice to be able to do that by choice and still be able to show them.
UKC..take notice and get on board with this. I wonder how many other people would like to see it happen.

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hopefully never why cant we breed dogs to meet standards
instead of changing to meet the dog

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does ukc allow you to single reg a dog to hunt that is neuterd that meets breed standerdss?

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blueticking it....I don't get your post?
If a dog doesn't meet standards it should be altered - never bred anyway don't you think? But if you have a dog that meets standards but your tired of the nut issue and have them frozen to breed anyway why not be able to cut and show them?
I heard UKC approved this with the other breeds but not 'coonhounds' yet.
They let you show/compete gelding horses and win a lot of stuff with them, often they have been frozen before gelding as well...why should it be different with dogs? A'gelding' of any species doing well in shows and competitions still represents himself as a reproducer (if frozen) as well as his siblings and parents, just cause he can't do a live breeding anymore doesn't mean squat.
Is there no UKC people floating around on the board?

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This issue will be voted on at the National Presidents meeting at Autunm Oaks. What ever we decide on at the metting with UKC's approval will be in affect Jan01 2011. To the best of my knowledge.

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I would Think 3 Things would have to be met in order to Show a Neutered Hound or Dog..

and added to their EZ Card ..

1. A type of Afadavid Stating that the Dog had No Prior Temperment Issues from a Obediance Instructor.

2. That the Dog has been Collected and Stored..

3. That the Dog had 2- Fully Formed Nuts and were Entended Prior to when they Hit the Bottom of the Trash Can !!!!! Signed and dated by the Vet...

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I think that it should be allowed in the Champion and Grand Champion classes only. Meaning they had to have them in order to finish. So that would be proof that they did once have them.

Temperment has nothing to do with anything, and could never be proven. Also, it should always be the owners choice whether they want to breed the dog, or have the dog collected. I know a lot of intact (and titled) dogs that will never be bred. So why would they need to be collected to be altered and participate? There is nothing you could do about females. As it is there is no way to prove if a female has been altered anyways. I'm sure there are a lot more of them in the show ring than a person might think.

The way things are going in this state we're not going to be allowed to own intact dogs. So what then?

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I think that it should be allowed in the Champion and Grand Champion classes only. Meaning they had to have them in order to finish. So that would be proof that they did once have them.

Temperment has nothing to do with anything, and could never be proven. Also, it should always be the owners choice whether they want to breed the dog, or have the dog collected. I know a lot of intact (and titled) dogs that will never be bred. So why would they need to be collected to be altered and participate? There is nothing you could do about females. As it is there is no way to prove if a female has been altered anyways. I'm sure there are a lot more of them in the show ring than a person might think.

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They have added an Altered class to the all breed shows.
The altered dogs do not compete against the unaltered dogs. Only against other altered dogs & earn a separate title. I show Adonis in it. He finished to CCH before I neutered him (I had my 2 litters out of him & no further plans to breed from him & felt bad for him having to deal with all the females in heat, etc). So he is enterd in Altered-Champion class. Now if he were to show against other neutered CH treeing walkers, he could finish to ALTERED-CGRCH.

For those of us that only breed a dog once or twice in their lifetimes, I have always wished we could prove the males had two normal, even sized doodies - by a signed statement from a vet or a UKC inspector or 3, collect on the dog, and still show in regular classes.

Or if you have finished breeding the dog, you don't have to collect, but the dog is still your breeding stock, as you have bred from it. Shouldn't mean it can't show any more.

Adonis' son Rocket is now 7, haven't bred him yet, and it will be another year or two. I'd like one or two litters out of him.
But he has to go through all the stress of females in heat, and other males wanting to fight, higher possibility of health problems. He is my best all-breed dog, so I can't neuter him as I show him all the time. I feel bad for him.

Same thing with my female. I plan on breeding her once, then spaying her. But i will have to finish her show titles before I can spay her & all those heat cycles & putting her in jail 2-3 times a year. Ugh. I hate that.

Of course, once you neuter the males, it is harder to keep them slim, trim & muscled up :-)

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I would Think 3 Things would have to be met in order to Show a Neutered Hound or Dog..

and added to their EZ Card ..

1. A type of Afadavid Stating that the Dog had No Prior Temperment Issues from a Obediance Instructor.

2. That the Dog has been Collected and Stored..

3. That the Dog had 2- Fully Formed Nuts and were Entended Prior to when they Hit the Bottom of the Trash Can !!!!! Signed and dated by the Vet...

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can a neuterd male be single registerd in ukc to hunt?????

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can a neuterd male be single registerd in ukc to hunt?????

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the idea is that a hound in the hunting arena is supposed to be whole and intact because if he is of such quality as to earn degrees and accolades for that breed then he would do it an honor to reproduce such traits however if it was collected and newtered what happens if the facility goes down that dog is lost forever. Yes I realise that if the dog was hit by a car or the many other alternitives but i understand the concept of wanting to retain the hound as a whole. its the same for throuroughbreeds in racing.

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LOL cant make everyone happy.

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I may be wrong, but i think i remember something about allowing fixed dogs to show, in the rule change proposals. They will have to be approved by all the breed associations to make it to reality, so there is only a small chance of it happening. I think this is a rule that the UKC should just say we are allowing it, and so be it. We can hunt a fixed dog, but not show one? Hopefully it will play out in favor of the change.

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I hope they change the rules because SB250 - the state wide mandatory spay/neuter bill is back off the shelf in California and will be voted on by the State Assembly any day now.
If this bill gets passed thats the end of UKC shows in this state...lets hope it doesn't pass (and we could use some help from everyone phoning/writing the assembly members) but if it gets passed and we still can't show altered dogs...well then I guess thats that for UKC in this state.

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it will be voted on at Autumn oaks it will go through cause you can hunt a fixed hound but cant show...i belive it will be allowed after autumn oaks but will not come in affect till January 1st...but the breed association's will have to vote on it

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blueticking it....I don't get your post?
If a dog doesn't meet standards it should be altered - never bred anyway don't you think? But if you have a dog that meets standards but your tired of the nut issue and have them frozen to breed anyway why not be able to cut and show them?
I heard UKC approved this with the other breeds but not 'coonhounds' yet.
They let you show/compete gelding horses and win a lot of stuff with them, often they have been frozen before gelding as well...why should it be different with dogs? A'gelding' of any species doing well in shows and competitions still represents himself as a reproducer (if frozen) as well as his siblings and parents, just cause he can't do a live breeding anymore doesn't mean squat.
Is there no UKC people floating around on the board?

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I hope they change the rules because SB250 - the state wide mandatory spay/neuter bill is back off the shelf in California and will be voted on by the State Assembly any day now.
If this bill gets passed thats the end of UKC shows in this state...lets hope it doesn't pass (and we could use some help from everyone phoning/writing the assembly members) but if it gets passed and we still can't show altered dogs...well then I guess thats that for UKC in this state.

To find contact info for the state Assembly and Senate go here;

http://www.legislature.ca.gov/legis...legislator.html

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so it got approved, has anyones clubs being having any alters in the shows yet?
Oh yeah...I got one cut as soon as I heard it approved...wow, already peeing on the ground instead of everything thats vertical...I love it!

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i understand that everyone has their opinions but if we spay and neuter our dogs just because and not for health reasons are we not giving humane society and radical animal rights people what they want i think UKC,AKC should leave it alone it is fine the way it is.

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