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If a dog goes back to the same tree do you have to wait the 5 minutes?

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If a dog goes back to the same tree do you have to wait the 5 minutes?

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I have never hunted pkc yet, but i thought if a dog goes back to tree for first time you could pull him and re cut??? 2nd time you get minused. am i correct?

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I have never hunted pkc yet, but i thought if a dog goes back to tree for first time you could pull him and re cut??? 2nd time you get minused. am i correct?

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I think this is a good topic for a RULE change. I've seen a couple, not many, in hunts that went back to the same tree WAY TOO MANY TIMES and messed up the whole cast.

The name of the game is to see who can tree the most coon the fastest, not the same coon 18 times! lol

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PKC and AKC if a dog is pulled off the same tree 3x it will be scratched.

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That is why a lot of them move after every coon. A lot of there dogs won't recast.

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and anything not there is scratch who wants to wait on a 2nd
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to my knowledge in ukc if a dog returns to same tree you must still strike and declare your dog treed and wait the 5 minutes , unless it is obvious and all handlers agree it is same tree??

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i train and hunt my dogs to recast. if they cant recast. i dont want them. it takes a dog with alot of heart and drive to gun in there and tree that 2nd and 3rd coon in the same woods..


thats where they seperate boys from men is by scratching them for returning!!

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Personally I think if a dog goes back ONE time they should be scratched from the cast. If a dog can't be cast from the tree it's not ready for the hunts.

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I had a squirrel dog go back on the tree and found another squirrel up it. Never had that happen with a coondog. While I am shooting one out the other usually opens his eyes.

How many go backs in UKC and what's the penalty? Seems like they all get pulled off once, plus or blank. They go back on the tree and get pulled off. What's the penalty, minus points or what? They go back again and when they get pulled off that's 3X and scratch. I don't see where PKC says they can go back on the tree 3 times, which that would mean pulling them off the tree 4 times.

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The rule in PKC and AKC says a dog handled on the same tree 3 times will be scratched.

1. The first time the dog is declared treed. (when you originally score the tree)

2. The first time the dog goes back to the previously scored tree. You still must strike and tree your dog and wait the 5 minutes.

3. The second time the dog goes back to the previously scored tree you still have to strike and tree your dog and wait the five minutes. If dog is found to be on the previously scored tree this time(the third time it has been handled at this tree) dog is scratched.

Basically it is a delay of cast rule.

In UKC a dog can go back to a previously scored tree an unlimited number of times without penalty.

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The rule in PKC and AKC says a dog handled on the same tree 3 times will be scratched.

1. The first time the dog is declared treed. (when you originally score the tree)

2. The first time the dog goes back to the previously scored tree. You still must strike and tree your dog and wait the 5 minutes.

3. The second time the dog goes back to the previously scored tree you still have to strike and tree your dog and wait the five minutes. If dog is found to be on the previously scored tree this time(the third time it has been handled at this tree) dog is scratched.

Basically it is a delay of cast rule.

In UKC a dog can go back to a previously scored tree an unlimited number of times without penalty.

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All registry rule as far as I know...
Once a tree has been scored once it cannot be scored again.

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So in ukc do you strike, tree and wait the five minutes. Looks like you would have to to make sure it was the same tree before you walk into it.
One more thing. Does anyone know if there are any proposals on adding a rule that you have to walk a certain distance from the tree before you recast at AO this year?

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So in ukc do you strike, tree and wait the five minutes. Looks like you would have to to make sure it was the same tree before you walk into it.
One more thing. Does anyone know if there are any proposals on adding a rule that you have to walk a certain distance from the tree before you recast at AO this year?

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You for sure have to strike them back in on or before the 3rd bark..You dont have to tree them or wait the five if majority think they are on the same tree in ukc. I dont care a thing about walking before re casting..Mines a lot less likely to come back with me standing there..They might remember the scoldings they have had for it in the past

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You for sure have to strike them back in on or before the 3rd bark..You dont have to tree them or wait the five if majority think they are on the same tree in ukc. I dont care a thing about walking before re casting..Mines a lot less likely to come back with me standing there..They might remember the scoldings they have had for it in the past

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PKC When you pull dog(s) off tree you must walk 1 minute in the direction the guide wishes to hunt

AKC When you pull dog(s) off tree you can cut loose right there or walk 1 minute in the direction the guide wishes to hunt.

UKC You can walk a reasonable distance from the tree and recast.

In my oppinion it is the JUDGE'S decision what is a reasonable distance from the scored tree. If the judge is a fat boy like me he surely won't make you walk too far! lol

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PKC When you pull dog(s) off tree you must walk 1 minute in the direction the guide wishes to hunt

AKC When you pull dog(s) off tree you can cut loose right there or walk 1 minute in the direction the guide wishes to hunt.

UKC You can walk a reasonable distance from the tree and recast.

In my oppinion it is the JUDGE'S decision what is a reasonable distance from the scored tree. If the judge is a fat boy like me he surely won't make you walk too far! lol

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Okie Dawg-Some judges will make you walk farther than is reasonable. That's when you say come on. Enough is enough and hopefully the other cast members agree.

I've seen a couple dogs that it didn't matter if you walked them a half mile from their last tree they'd still go back. I kinda figure if they're that bad about going back I shouldn't have much trouble beating that one! Especially if mine is doing what it's supposed to do! lol

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Okie Dawg-Some judges will make you walk farther than is reasonable. That's when you say come on. Enough is enough and hopefully the other cast members agree.

I've seen a couple dogs that it didn't matter if you walked them a half mile from their last tree they'd still go back. I kinda figure if they're that bad about going back I shouldn't have much trouble beating that one! Especially if mine is doing what it's supposed to do! lol

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Okie Dawg, Well by god, me and you oughta go hunting some time!! Lol I've got plenty of crap dogs!!! lol

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