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Okay here's the deal. Dog A is setting at 375+ Dog B 325+ and Dog C 250+

Dog(s) A B and C are casted with 13 minutes left to hunt. Dog A strikes for 100 followed by Dog C for 75 followed by Dog B for 50.

Dog C is treed for 125 followed by a split tree call by Dog B followed by a split tree call by Dog A.

Proceed to Dog C and Dog(s) A and C are split treed 20 yards appart. Handler of Dog B wants to wait to handle his dog until these two trees are scorred. Cast agrees to shine both trees at the same time since they are so close together. Find the coon in Dog A's tree so now nobody can beat dog A but handler of Dog B states that if the cast doesn't walk into his tree and score it they will be scratched.

Now the question is if handlers of Dog A and C refuse to walk to Dog B's tree because the tree is meaningless can they be scratched?

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The tree has to be scored.

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I think it comes down to hunt time, rules state, you must hunt two hours. If dog was declared treed before hunt time expired, you must score his tree. Let's face it, if you present this story to a MH, and say we had three minutes left and didn't score the other tree, because Dog A couldn't be beat. He'll scratch the whole cast. Tom

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So if handler of Dog B wanted to throw a big fit even though there's no way he could win he could get handlers A and C scratched?

What rule would be used to back a scratch in this situation?

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Rule 17 says.." Dogs declared treed within the hunting time are eligable to be scored"

page 49&50 of the ADVISOR says tree to be scored.... failer to score a tree or vote on the tree ( + - circel) is a srachable ofence

WE KNOW THAT EVEN WITH TIME BEING UP ON THE HUNT YOU STILL SCORE A TREE

you say that with finding dog A coon no one can beat him that is fine and well congradulation are said now to me I feel that SPORTMANSHIP would say go to the other dog and still give him the time he desreves and the credit he is entitled to

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Rule #1 would work. Dogs must hunt entire hunt, unless scratched. #17 Dogs declared treed within hunting time are eligible for scoring. You've got to read all the words, not just the ones you like. Tom

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Rule 17 says.." Dogs declared treed within the hunting time are eligable to be scored"

page 49&50 of the ADVISOR says tree to be scored.... failer to score a tree or vote on the tree ( + - circel) is a srachable ofence

WE KNOW THAT EVEN WITH TIME BEING UP ON THE HUNT YOU STILL SCORE A TREE

you say that with finding dog A coon no one can beat him that is fine and well congradulation are said now to me I feel that SPORTMANSHIP would say go to the other dog and still give him the time he desreves and the credit he is entitled to

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Handler of Dog B could yes say good job let me get my dog meet ya at the truck.

rules say score the tree rule # 1 and rule 17

your oraginal question was can dog A & C be scrached the answer is yes.

the way I look at it In My Oppnion is show the dog the respect you hunted 2 hours with the cast/dog another couple of hunded yards to show the respect is not alot to ask

do I think it is a bad way of trying to get a win by forcing someone to go with no hope ...yes

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What if handler A in his excitement forgets to sign the scorecard but everyone else in the cast did sign it? Then what would happen? Are you sure that last tree that you don't want to score won't be a factor?

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CWS, You have to give poeple the right to be stupid.

Your right, To you and me, its a moot point to score the tree...But if they want it scored whats it gonna hurt?

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We would have shined the tree that C had and scored it, headed to B's tree to score it and then scored A's tree. If trees are not touching they get seperate shine time. A dog will get scored in the order they are called treed. It would have been just fine if the handlers of A & B would have said withdraw my dog and gathered their hounds. That didn't happen and the dogs should have been scored by the cast.

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CWS, You have to give poeple the right to be stupid.

Your right, To you and me, its a moot point to score the tree...But if they want it scored whats it gonna hurt?

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I think Troy's answer is the last word. CWS, you ask a question, Troy answered it. That is the rule. Everything else is just side talk.

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We would have shined the tree that C had and scored it, headed to B's tree to score it and then scored A's tree. If trees are not touching they get seperate shine time. A dog will get scored in the order they are called treed. It would have been just fine if the handlers of A & B would have said withdraw my dog and gathered their hounds. That didn't happen and the dogs should have been scored by the cast.

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Well I had to walk about 800 yards through a logged out mess and I came out with my arms all tore up for no reason at all.

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Yea, thats coonhunting.

Did you go there to play tiddlywinks?

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cws you need to get it out of your head that every week someone is out to cheat you.you have a problem.

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Now the question is if handlers of Dog A and C refuse to walk to Dog B's tree because the tree is meaningless can they be scratched?


THAT was the question. He ask, it was answered.

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If I had a nickel for every time I saw a boneheaded handler stayed in a cast eating up strike points from the guys that actually have a chance....Its their perogative.

The only thing dumber, would be to argue otherwise.

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This post may have been made in the form of a question but it was obviously ment as nothing more than an opportunity to vent.
Hopefully, they both feel better now.

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cws you need to get it out of your head that every week someone is out to cheat you.you have a problem.

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The hunt is over when the guy leading says it is over???? I don't think I care for that idea.

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no i didnt say you was the problem in the cast i said you have a problem in that you think every week your gonna get cheated or you get on here and tell how you was cheated.

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Maybe the handler of Dog B was afraid of the dark and did not want to go to his tree by himself. Maybe he was afraid that he would get lost. I once had a handler do as you described and I did not realize until later that he simply did not want to have to go 800 yds out in to a strange woods by himself. Being a good sportsman , I went with him. As has been stated, everyone is not out to cheat you. Have you ever thought about seeking professional help?

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CSW....yes a verten handler could take advanatage of a youth or new handler in this situation very easly and it is sad.

UKC has been very good at promoting YEP and YOUTH events to help them along and to help teach the rules

" THANK YOU LORD FOR ALL YOU HAVE GAVE ME " ..... The Lord has given you a gift of knowlage and understanding the rules

now take that in witch he gave you and pass it on

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no i didnt say you was the problem in the cast i said you have a problem in that you think every week your gonna get cheated or you get on here and tell how you was cheated.

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