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Last night we went out on a cast and a boys father went with us. He stayed at the truck when we went into the woods to hunt. The dogs kind of parallel the road so the father decided to drive that way to get a better listen. Two dogs crossed the road and the dad was in the truck with it running and the exhaust was fairly loud which made it hard to hear the other dogs. My question: Must spectators that stay at the truck stay at that original location or is this a scratchable offense? I didn't do anything about it cause i was unsure and it was me and two young kids in the cast and i didn't want a kid to suffer due to and adults mistake.

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WHAT ABOUT SPECTATORS WHO STAND AROUND THE TRUCKS BS-ING, SHOUTING, LAUGHING, AND JUST BEING AN ANNOYANCE ?

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WHAT ABOUT SPECTATORS WHO STAND AROUND THE TRUCKS BS-ING, SHOUTING, LAUGHING, AND JUST BEING AN ANNOYANCE ?

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I don't know the answer to this but would say if they went by common sence I would say that spectator or just people at the truck or road. It would be handled by interfearence if the cast voted that way. They may be agrivateing but they would have to be pretty loud before it would be called interfearance to me. The cast just has to split the distance between dogs and try to hear them all.

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I'd say if you explained the situation to him that the truck running was causing problems hearing the dogs, that he'd most likely shut it right off.

I'd ask him to shut it off, nicely, and to not start it up while time is running. That would probably be the end of it.

There are times out hunting when a loud truck goes down the road, a train goes by in the disatance, or a plane or helicopter flies overhead that it can be difficult to hear dogs. You deal with it and go on. Its part of hunting. I don't see a need to get scratch happy over it...

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I don't know that any specific rule applies but I would have a major problem with a spectator following the cast with a vehicle while the clock is running. And actually, a specific rule would apply now that I think about it. We all know that handlers are responsible for their spectators and spectators fall under all of the same rules as handlers do. A cast or handler cannot follow a dog by vehicle while the clock is running. Yes, the cast can move by vehicle to get to dogs but they cannot follow dogs by vehicle and all cast members must stay together. A spectaor following the cast by vehicle is against the rules pure and simple.
Lastly, the age, sex. color of cast members plays no part in any judges decision. You judge the cast the same for a 14 year old handler on his first hunt as you would anyone else. The rules are the same.
Nothing bad prolly happened in this particular instance. Great. Count yourself lucky. A spectator driving around the dogs in a truck is an open invitaion for serious problems, Why even let it get started in the first place.

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spectators are part of the cast dont all cast members have
to stay together?

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Good point Jim. So if your dad just wants to come out and listen to the race you should not list him as a cast spectator. Just have him follow you out or tell him were you will be hunting and that turns him into a man in a truck listening to the race and if he becomes a problem you just handle it with the interfearance rule if need be. That way if he isn't able to walk he can do whta he needs to do with out hurting the cast member.

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dont thank that was the question ok

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Well could i scratch you on a cast for laughing or bs-ing. come on get real lol

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spectators are there for one reason and one reason only and that is too spectate, thats it

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IT'S A THING CALLED RESPECT. SOME OF US SENIOR CITIZENS DON'T HAVE THE HEARING OF THE YOUNGER FOLKS. IF YOU CAME TO SPECTATE, DO JUST THAT. I'VE BEEN SCRATCHED FOR WALKING 20 YARDS DOWN THE ROAD TO GET AWAY FROM MOUTHY SPECTATORS.

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Last night we went out on a cast and a boys father went with us. He stayed at the truck when we went into the woods to hunt. The dogs kind of parallel the road so the father decided to drive that way to get a better listen. Two dogs crossed the road and the dad was in the truck with it running and the exhaust was fairly loud which made it hard to hear the other dogs. My question: Must spectators that stay at the truck stay at that original location or is this a scratchable offense? I didn't do anything about it cause i was unsure and it was me and two young kids in the cast and i didn't want a kid to suffer due to and adults mistake.

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YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL THE GUY IN THE TRUCK TO SHUT IT OFF ASK THE HANDLER THAT THE SPECTATOR IS WITH TO ASK HIS SPECTATOR TO KEEP THE TRUCK SHUT OFF WHILE YA'LLS DOGS ARE AROUND. YOU COULD HANDLE IT ALOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS BUT I TRY NOT TO ASSOCIATE WITH THE SPECTATORS TO MUCH BECAUSE IF YOU EVER START THEN THEY ALWAYS START TO THINK THEIR APART OF THE CAST BUT THATS JUST MY EXPERIENCE EVERYTIME I'VE TALKED TO A SPECTATOR HE ALWAYS ENDS UP TRYING TO HAVE A SAY ON THE CAST. NOT SAYING BE A SNOB OR IGNORING SOMEONE BUT NOT CONSTANTLY TALKING WITH THEM AND TAKING ATTENTION AWAY FROM YOUR CAST. LET THE HANDLER HANDLE HIS RESPONSIBILITY.

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Thanks for your reply. It seems you always give a good answer and not a comment to argue about. My main point was do they have to stay put since they went with the cast till we come back or not. This is the first time I have seen someone do it and just needed an answer. Thanks

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I think the answer is that no one, cast or spectator can follow dogs by vehicle or anything other than their two feet while the clock is running. And everyone either stays with the cast or at the truck. One or the other, you can't be coming and going or moving around at will.

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We all know where allowing people to "follow" the cast could lead to. Thankfully it's not but that still doesnt stop some.

I'm pretty sure if you just asked him nicely to shut the truck off and not move he would have done so, if he refused he GONE! Simple as that.

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When hunt time is running, spectator cannot follow a cast in a vehicle; they should remain at the parking site. A spectator should understand that his actions reflect on his handler, and that those actions can result in scratchable offenses. If they aren't willing to spectate under those conditions; they should stay at the club house.

I've had some good and bad and even funny happenings with spectators; but that's part of the game. I was at a big state hunt a number of years ago, I drew a young guy, said he needed a ride. I told him he could ride with me, and showed him where my truck was. When I came back there were five young guys standing there and my truck was full of hunting gear. I asked who they were, and they were spectators of the kid I was hauling. I told them I didn't haul spectators, surprising how fast they came up witha PU.

I was at a large breed hunt, people from all over the U.S., drew a guy with two spectators, one a very very pregnant wife. Guy didn't have a ride, I hauled him and his wife, and the other guy went with someone else, and I had the guide too. Anyway , we hunted some rough country, treed some coon. I won the cast, but as the other cast members drug up, I inheirted the rest of the spectators, since I was the only one going back to the club house. I felt so sorry for that poor woman; she was miserable all night long. I wanted to tell her she was married to an idiot, bring her out in her condition.

At a fairly local hunt drew a guy with a big "heavy set" spectator, no light, no waders. Guy wanted to go to every tree, but couldn't cross water, you know the drill. Last turnout, just me and the spectators handler; dogs crossed a big creek. Told the spectator to walk back to the truck and we'd get the dogs. There was a five stran barb wire fence there that went directly to the truck, told him to follow the fence; he couldn't get lost. When we got to the truck he wasn't there, looked all night for the guy, finally found him asleep in a hay barn two miles down the road. Tom

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i would have told him to shut off the truck but we were about 500yds off the road that he was driving and parking on. The right dog won the cast and that is what matters to me. It wasn't my dog either. I just wanted to be able to tell the man before he dorks his son out of a win due to those issues.

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If some of ya'll dont mind a spectator shining a tree..How could following along in a truck be any different?

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