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just what is a pack dog? wouldnt that be along the lines of a me too dog? i have seen in some dog ads about a "good pack dog" with some hefty prices on them. i would guess the dog cant start a track on its own? but from what i read you turn them loose to dogs that are started they get in the race and tree with the dogs.

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Any dog that gets second or third tree more then 2 trees a night is a me too dog or in other words a pack dog. They can be hard to beat in ukc but can't win in the other kcs. I apply the phrase if you aren't first you're last when turning my dogs loose. There is no reason other then lack of ability and speed to see 3 or 4 dogs on one tree. I never understood how someone could accept a win when there dog was merely working off the other dogs. It is considered a coon chase right? Or in other words a coon race, there's only one winner in a race.

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huh i owned a dog that packed alot.. but you can take her by herself and tree coons... and would rather own another one like that than one who goes a mile just to get away from other goes.. just dont make much sense to me..

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i understand if the dogs are out hunting and one strikes and the others get with the dog. thats what they should do if its not right they shouldnt get in with the dogs. if you have to lead a dog and cut them loose to dogs that are already struck how are they pack dogs when they was not out hunting already?

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Like I said there's only one winner.

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well i put my gyp in one hunt before she got killed and she picked up $55 it dont take a loner to win... she treed a coon (lay up) and another gyp treed a coon..

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for the ones who like using the term "me-too"... it means a dog who is running through the woods barking when the other dogs bark or comes across the woods when a dog opens and is basically in the way.. packing means when dogs pack up and WORK together and tree a coon.. right?

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I got a little, high strung bitch I'm thinking about letting someone handle in the comp hunts. I can unsnap her and mess around tryin to get the "accidentaly" fouled up lead out of her collar. If she don't open trying to catch up I'll be surprised, however if she is far enough back, time the first dog strikes she will automatically bark trying to catch up. So I got second strike at worst. She is quick and fast, not particularly on a track but at following another dog. If you have a dog that hits with a locate bark and checks the tree for 10 seconds, you better have treed him on the locate, otherwise she will eat your lunch. When she see's a dog stand on a tree to locate she will be there and slam it right or wong and be there even if the good dog picks it up and moves on. But she trees so hard, many dogs don't want to move on. So then I probably got first tree.

Maybe 1st or second strike and first tree unless you call yours on a locate, all night every night.

In my opinion she is not a good pack dog, just an idiot.

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i was looking around different places today at ads. this is similar to how one read, "Pack dog bays, trees on /off tree.
Does not babble when you send him quiet until he gets there." if that is what is considered a pack dog then i have culled and gave away alot of pack dogs over the years. key words to me are "send him in" that sounds to me like the dog is on a lead or dropped out the box to other dogs.

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...... key words to me are "send him in" that sounds to me like the dog is on a lead or dropped out the box to other dogs.

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I have had a lot of pack dogs. To me that means one that will honor a race. Sometimes when they are chasin bigger game they need help. You have to have dogs that you can turn in to them. If we hunted the type that were absolutely indepedent our strike dogs would be in a major bind. That does not mean that they wont strike there own track or be able to hunt on there own. But if there is a race goin they know that there job is to get to it and fast. I have a hound here that will strike on his own or run to the race if you turn him out. Depends on the situation in which you turn him loose. But he is old and retired now. I would gladly have 10 more just like him!
I also had a coonhound that was a consistent 3rd or 4th strike dog. He could tree his own any night of the week and all night long. Turn him with other dogs and he would strike 3rd or 4th and be the first dog to the tree by 10 seconds or better. I would gladly take him back or have 10 more like him than what most people are leading now a days. In 10 trees there better be at least 9 coon! I would not settle for less! I would take accuracey over independence any day.

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There is a world of difference between a pack dog and a "me-too" dog. A pack dog is a dog that has a specific task to perform when cut loose. That is to pack to a race and usually fight the game, be it bear, hog, or cat, until it comes to bay or climbs. And yes for me they have to be like a circle saw when they arrive. This compensates for the "usually" lack of a cold nose to start the track. They should be silent as well until the point they are running scent or baying. I have run bear from daylight til midnight and went home and turned some fresh pack dogs to the fight at daylight the next morning and been off again. The longest the dogs ever ran/fought a bear like this was from Saturday daylight til noon Tuesday. Some dogs were turned in two or three times.

A me-too dog is just a babbling idiot and has no use eating my feed. I wouldnt really want a pack dog for coon hunting but with big game they are invaluable where races last an average of six to eight hours at a time. And even then we still get out run often.

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ok i see what some call pack dogs some call them catch dogs or kill dogs. i talked with some old timers that use to run yotes they called themselves wolf hunters. usually when they went huntin there was 3 or more hunters each would bring three dogs. they would turn one dog loose to strike then after the dog got struck in good each person would turn one dog loose into the dog. reason for one dog turned loose to strike they wanted to start only one yote. then after 2 hours or so they would each turn one more dog a piece loose. some would bring young dogs along and drop them in one at a time they would wait until the heard the young dog with the others before they turned any more young dogs into the race. after two more hours or so they would drop the rest of the dogs loose and wouldnt be long after they got there they would catch the yote. that is the way they hunted others may do it different.

seems to me one would have to watch somes definition of a pack dog tho. one may have a dog that follows along with you rolls in the grass chases bugs and make more noise then a heard of cows. when it hears a dog strike it heads to the dog and goes to the tree with the dog. if its a real deal it will walk to the tree with you and when you get about 50 ft from the tree the dog runs to the tree and blows the top out.

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Have been reading these posts about "Me Too Dogs" and "Get Deep Dogs" , got me to thinking about today's dogs . If you know the history of all coonhounds, they basicly came from foxhounds that got to treeing ... not good unless gray fox was the game ! All the foxhounds ran in packs, if it didn't they were not kept long ! The object in running the fox was to hear the race, and take pride in who's dog got the strike and who's dog was leading the pack, right up to the point that the fox went to "ground"! It was the same in coon hunting , except that now it's the tree that you want .
Folks used to get together with their hound, turn them loose and take pride in who's dog struck the trail or what dog treed the coon . The dogs ran in a pack , that is unless more than one coon was running together. When that was the case you might have a dog that would split from the pack to run the other trail ... that was where the "independent" name came from, he would run and tree with dogs still running or treed, and hold his tree no matter what the other dogs were doing ! The "Me Too Dogs" were the dogs that couldn't run a trail or tree on their own, all they done was make noise, not trail or tree ! If you turn a "Me Too" dog loose by it's self you would know it, as you wouldn't have a strike or tree all night as they need other dogs to find or tree the coon ! The "Get Deep" types are dogs that have to run as far as it takes to find a blazing hot trail, before they can run it ! Might have run across numerous trails before finding one that they could smell strong enough to work . The only folks that didn't hunt with dogs that packed were the ones that's dog were mean on the tree . It sort of hard to find folks to hunt with that enjoy having their dog chewed on !
Somewhere along the line people were convinced that it was a good thing to have anti-social, hot nosed, beeline type dogs ! Hopefully one of these days folks will see that packing is a good thing and start breeding for it and the good nose again, ortherwise it will be the end of competion hunting too , as it's going to get rough trying to judge a cast, when they leave going in 4 different directions and drop in a mile or more just to be able to run a scent strong enough ... might work when hunting off 4 wheelers or having about 6 square miles of hunting area without roads , but don't believe you can call it fun at that point. Something else to think about, when dogs are moving in a pack, critters will move to get out of their way , with the lone dog things like hogs might just wait and hold their ground, as they can handle a lone dog, a pack is a different story ! There are safety in numbers , so a pack dog might be a good thing to have !

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Just because a dog is unwilling or unable to compete against other dogs does not make him a coondog. Stop and think about it, if he is by his or herself they don't have the pressure of the other dogs competing against them. I've had several so called independent dogs and dogs willing to compete. A dog off to itself takes pressure off the handler and takes pressure off of them also. I like one off to itself but I also like one that can take the pressure of competition and keep its head and do it right. For me to keep & hunt one that is willing to compete with other dogs they have to be faster on track and quick to locate the correct tree. To me that's real competition when they can out do the others that are trying to do the same thing.

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good post glenn

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Any dog that gets second or third tree more then 2 trees a night is a me too dog or in other words a pack dog. They can be hard to beat in ukc but can't win in the other kcs. I apply the phrase if you aren't first you're last when turning my dogs loose. There is no reason other then lack of ability and speed to see 3 or 4 dogs on one tree. I never understood how someone could accept a win when there dog was merely working off the other dogs. It is considered a coon chase right? Or in other words a coon race, there's only one winner in a race.

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iv got a pack dog he will follow the first dog that makes barks at times i dont think he know what hes running after he is just going for the case but he is a great bay hound

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I agree with some definitions of a pack dog. If you are wanting to know what a big game pack dog is it is a dog that may not have what is considered a cold nose that can start a old track but will run a track if it fresh enough. So the pack dogs job is to be packed with a start dog (cold nosed dog) or to be turned into a chase to put pressure on the game of choice untill it is treed or bayed. It does not mean it is a me to dog. Most of the time our pack dogs will be leading the chase after the bear is jumped because they run with their head up.

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huh i owned a dog that packed alot.. but you can take her by herself and tree coons... and would rather own another one like that than one who goes a mile just to get away from other goes.. just dont make much sense to me..

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