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Are we breeding competition dogs that false bark when you turn them loose to steal strike points from the honest strike dog?Of course we are just being honest about it .

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I cant stand hunting against a babbler as much as I hate to own a still mouth hound. You think you've got an honest strike dog then you draw a babbler or 2 in a cast and your sucking hind tit. If you could produce a babbling me too dog you could win a lot of hunts if you don't mind winning like that.

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I was pleasure hunting the other night and soon as my friend turned his walker off the lead he barked non stop. He did this for 5 drops till I got tired of listening to it and called it a night

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people are breeding for them babblers.bred 2 babblers together and then you get a whole litter of babblers,its not hard to do.lol

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I believe 90% of babbling is caused by starting pups too young with a broke dog that is too fast for them to keep up with.I've seen this happen in rabbit dogs,fox dogs ,deer dogs and coon dogs.

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people are breeding for them babblers.bred 2 babblers together and then you get a whole litter of babblers,its not hard to do.lol

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I believe 90% of babbling is caused by starting pups too young with a broke dog that is too fast for them to keep up with.I've seen this happen in rabbit dogs,fox dogs ,deer dogs and coon dogs.

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I believe 90% of babbling is caused by starting pups too young with a broke dog that is too fast for them to keep up with.I've seen this happen in rabbit dogs,fox dogs ,deer dogs and coon dogs.

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Lets say I had a high dollar stud dog that got $300 CASH to breed a female either live breeding or by frozen and I could average breeding just 1 female a week for a year. Well that's $15,600 that uncle sam doesn't get part of. I will breed the heck out of him no matter what his faults.

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Not enough judges are willing to minus a dog in a lot of our hunts for this ugly fault. Too many handlers are getting away with it, especially in the smaller PKC hunts. First on the card scores as well as first tree. Finally hunted with a judge that was willing to do it....THANKS, Joe!! Good job!!!!

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Babbling used to be an excited dog that left barking..

Now, we have dogs that bark constantly, some are dog tracking, junk running, or just barking at nothing.

As far as I understand the rules, a dog struck dog tracking or junk running can not be minused.....possibly scratched, but not likely.

An honest strike dog today is a 3rd or 4th strike dog in most casts.....That's a fact I don't see changing anytime soon.

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Are we breeding competition dogs that false bark when you turn them loose to steal strike points from the honest strike dog?Of course we are just being honest about it .

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In the south it's called cold nosed.

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The problem is most people don't know how to train a dog I know tons of people that hunt but only two or three of them can train a pup

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Are we breeding competition dogs that false bark when you turn them loose to steal strike points from the honest strike dog?Of course we are just being honest about it .

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Just curious, what is your definition of an "honest strike dog" ?

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I believe 90% of babbling is caused by starting pups too young with a broke dog that is too fast for them to keep up with.I've seen this happen in rabbit dogs,fox dogs ,deer dogs and coon dogs.

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So when did all this babbling breeding start?????? Give me a yr or close. I wanna know.

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Can I have the cast step over here for a few words before we begin our hunt.......Listen and I mean listen close fellers........

Any dog struck before mine will be minused for babbling!!!!!!!!! My dog will be the "official check dog" of this cast. I'm sick and tired of other dogs babbling and making mine follow them taking second tree all nite on all these circle and slick trees.

I'm gonna call UKC later today and line up Todd to go hunting with my little Gyp.....I think the rules should be amended to better fit her hunting style.

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Can I have the cast step over here for a few words before we begin our hunt.......Listen and I mean listen close fellers........

Any dog struck before mine will be minused for babbling!!!!!!!!! My dog will be the "official check dog" of this cast. I'm sick and tired of other dogs babbling and making mine follow them taking second tree all nite on all these circle and slick trees.

I'm gonna call UKC later today and line up Todd to go hunting with my little Gyp.....I think the rules should be amended to better fit her hunting style.

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I'm not sure I agree with this bc I've never hunted w a pleasure hunter that runs a babbling dog but I've hunted with tons that run pups w older dogs. It's rare to find a pleasure hunter that hunts babbling, slick treeing idiots bc they're not a pleasure to hunt and there is no benefit to hunting this type of dog where as comp hunts can steal some hunts with a dog like this. Now obviously there are some tremendous coondogs owned by comp hunters but I believe most of these Junkers are too.

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usally don't feel as though they need to take a pup off the teat and take it to woods right away before its to old to make the next youngest stud dog in the coonhound world. that explains why the pleasure hunters don't have as much trouble with babblers.

another reason is they wont keep putting up with a babbler for very long. it will simply be allimanated.

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usally don't feel as though they need to take a pup off the teat and take it to woods right away before its to old to make the next youngest stud dog in the coonhound world. that explains why the pleasure hunters don't have as much trouble with babblers.

another reason is they wont keep putting up with a babbler for very long. it will simply be allimanated.

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