Registered: Dec 2009
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I have a dog that when he trees he gets nasty. It only happens when he is on the tree. At the house or in the box he is fine even around other dogs its just when he is treed. Is there anything i can do or am I wasting my time?

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I would think of no good reason other then hunting the dog by himself. I have heard a few guys with techniques on here that they say would work but would you realy trust a dog a mile in with someone elses mild mannered pup or old dog.... If you don't do the obvious then atleast get him fixed and find a hide hunter and trash the papers...JMOP

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More ruff dogs get light broke than get cured.

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is he getting mean with you or other dogs, if he's getting mean with you crack him.....if it's with other dogs crack him.... dont pet him up to much when on tree it could be a )jelose) cant spell for crap. if he's getting to excited on tree that probly what your problem is he's being paid to much. if he's just getting mean on tree biteing you" try hitting him real hard when he trys it with you.

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I had a good one that I could only hunt with females cause with males he would sooner our later get in a fight. He was always the commom denominater. Even hunting alone at least once he got treed with strange dogs and I thought this won't be good by the time I get there, was a couple females so I was lucky. He never changed .

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i have a question in regards to this....

a got a gyp that has ran another dog off a tree (only once), but one time is too much for me...

some guys tell me to use a small amount of shock on her to get her to quit, but i've heard that dogs can get mean with shock, or i've also heard that you're not supposed to use shock on aggressive behavior...

i don't want to worsen it, but i do want to correct it...

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Registered: Dec 2009
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So if I can’t fully break him of it and I agree with you Velocity I don’t want another dog to get ruined or hurt by him. So what I need to know now is can I breed it out of him. If I got a female and bred them will I get the same aggressiveness in the pups? I don’t want to get rid of him because I can hunt him alone during kill season you know. I’m just trying to figure out what to do now or where to go with him now.

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Originally posted by mash22410
i have a question in regards to this....

a got a gyp that has ran another dog off a tree (only once), but one time is too much for me...

some guys tell me to use a small amount of shock on her to get her to quit, but i've heard that dogs can get mean with shock, or i've also heard that you're not supposed to use shock on aggressive behavior...

i don't want to worsen it, but i do want to correct it...

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Go ahead and breed him. I wont show up in his pups!!!!

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well stated grady,i agree that they are being possive. i have never seen one that could be stopped completely though. i have seen them stop when they know you are close,i have seen them get quicker and quietier about getting on the other dog, but have never seen one fixed completely. just what i have seen,not saying it can't be done. they just don't get to many chances round here for that problem.

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Hey Owl good to see you bud.........No I agree if they have gotten away with it or just real dominate you will probley never be able to trust them. The guy that had his do it one time and if it is a young dog might have a real good chance at saveing his though.
Things like that need to be taken care of in the raiseing. From a very young age. Waiting is like trying to fix a teenager after he has been spoiled since birth..........How you doing Owl?

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Always hunt him alone and never breed him to anything. You are just asking for trouble otherwise.

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i agree grady, alot of people let pups fight over feed and stuff. this can lead to a hound that uses force with everything. sent you a pm grady

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Tree fighters are bred not trained. It is a very heritable trait. I would remove his breeding tools from him and either hunt him alone or remove him from the gene pool.

There was a hound around here that was passed off to two or three people due to being ill on the tree. He ruined a half dozen or more young dogs before I caught him at the tree trying to run my redbone off the tree. He was a very smart dog as well. He would quit fighting as soon as he saw a light and would quit if he heard you coming. We later found out that all the previous owners knew he was ill but just passed the problem along to the next man. I have zero tolerance for such behavior either from the owners or the dog. Shame too because the dog was as good of a meat dog as I have ever hunted. His next home was to a hide hunter with a clear understanding that he was not just mean but sneaky mean.

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I'm a meat hunter myself and I don't put up with it one second. It never gets as bad as growling at the tree. I (and these are my dogs and I mostly hunt by myself and with my good friend who doesn't have a dog) go so far as to tempt them. I'll put grown male dogs in the dogbox. I'll let young dogs reach puberty and start swapping them around with a pair or three in the same pen and feed them. (I'm not dirty rascal enough to put in one pan of feed though.) If any body starts anything I finish it for them. With what I put on them, they are happy with the scraps.

I would shock them if I had two collars because it takes two dogs to fight contrary to what some folk thinks. If you have a dog that would get meaner with 1000 volts running through him, you just need a stronger collar. He needs to realize that something is still cutting his as long after he quits fighting.

And ya'll are right, most of that stuff is in the breeding. I just call it preventative training. And another bad time is to let dogs chew on a coon for two seconds after it's dead. Don't let them get possessive over anything.

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Mean dogs are a worse scourge in bear hunting. I would not even hunt with someone that had walkers because they are the worst dog there is for fighting. (Start kicking me now Walker hunters). We always trained our pups when they started treeing on cage coons by suspending it low down as to cause them to waller all over each other. Any aggressive behavior was noted on thier permanent record and they were watched very closely for the rest of thier life. If they persisted they were removed from the gene pool. And thier parents got a strike and werent bred to each other ever again. There are mean dogs in all lines and I have never seen one cured. It is a genetic thing. If you overlook it you are just lying to yourself. If you breed it you are doing a disservice to the whole hound fraternity. I often wonder when I see a dog advertised as a pressure tree dog if that isnt a disguise for mean!!!!! My dogs will waller on each other, some run the tree and fall all over the other dogs and there is no fighting or "pressure" put on any other dog. They just go on about thier business. TREEING!!!!

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This is a post I made on another thread. It tells just the way I feel about aggressive dogs. We, as sportsmen and coonhunters, must come to our senses and honesty as to what: mean, ruff, facebarking, jockying for possition, or any other way you put it, dogs are doing to our sport.

"why in the world do people on here try to defend face barking, which in 99.99 % of the time is going to lead to much more aggressive behavior, attempting to fight, then to fighting.
I have never seen a dog start out fighting, it always starts with face barking.
Anyone that tries to reason, or excuse this behavior, is just closing their eyes to reality.
I hunted in a hunt last night, had a super great time. Got beat by a nice coon dog. All four dogs in our cast where powerful hard tree dogs. Mine even jumps and chews more than I would like. WE NEVER had a face bark or any trouble at anytime. That is the way every cast and all dogs should be.
My suggestion is stop breeding face barking, trouble starting dogs. If you have one, don't hunt it in a hunt, or with young dogs, or with other people dogs.
If you have a face barker/ tree gaurding, type of dog, PLEASE, don't hunt it in a hunt. If you draw me, I will sure scratch a face barker, or blower. No need to try to tell me 'you have to have both aggression and interference', cause in my book blowing/ tree gaureding, face barking is aggression with interference!!!!!~
Thus, he is going to get sratched."

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IMO tree aggression is not fixable... You can't get after him at the tree because a lot happens between when dogs tree and when you get there..

If you want to put up with it, that is your choice.. I would advise fixing him and not hunting him with ANYONE else's dogs..

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Just dis evening fo xaple. (I got way too miny dawgs faw xample) I was feeding up and this three year old had knocked the lid offf'n the cracker box so well described in the cracker boks of the Mountain Cur year book 'bout 1999," How you can build two cracker boxes out of one sheet of ply wood "' So, in order two untangle him from the little crackhouse, what he had done jumped thru de roof of, he trottrd over to his half Unckle's bowl and stuck his kwose right down in e' feed bowl. Well, ain't take long, an deys bees a scrap goin on tween a couple 'a crackers. So, what must I do? I must weigh in like a bouncer. I done tole yall, many times, that I prefer a dead Palmetto frond, in preferanse to an E collar, but, the first thing my hand grabbed was a two inch diameter pine limb, which I felt obliged to use upon that treedog's knot on de back ob 'e 'aid, what said ' e be a coondog.

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Cut his balls and pull his fangs. That way he can't pollute the gene pool or do any damage to anyone. Every time he looks cross ways at something put a boot into him. Dogs don't get a choice of what or who they like and don't like. You need to get that message across in no uncertain terms. There's no reason a dog has to be aggressive at the tree.

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so, some of you say don't breed a dog that has a tendency to be ill...

(i don't breed hounds... never had)...

i've heard that a dog being ill is just in their own personality (so to speak)...

so, my question is this.... you get a pup that is mean... obviously they inherited it... so, does that mean you have a bad sire or dam? you could cross two grnitech and get a ill pup.... but that pup could turn out to be a heck of a tree dog...

why not breed that pup once it's older, and then hope for another good one out of it... obvioulsy it would have good enough traits to produce a tree dog... and possibly their offspring wouldn't be ill.

there's two ways to look at it.... and i get confused hearing both sides... a lot of you say don't breed a dog that isn't everything you would want in a pup... but others say breed if there's good characteistics and you might just get a good one.... it's a gamble either way... NO ONE knows how a pup is going to turn out... right?

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Originally posted by mash22410
so, some of you say don't breed a dog that has a tendency to be ill...

(i don't breed hounds... never had)...

i've heard that a dog being ill is just in their own personality (so to speak)...

so, my question is this.... you get a pup that is mean... obviously they inherited it... so, does that mean you have a bad sire or dam? you could cross two grnitech and get a ill pup.... but that pup could turn out to be a heck of a tree dog...

why not breed that pup once it's older, and then hope for another good one out of it... obvioulsy it would have good enough traits to produce a tree dog... and possibly their offspring wouldn't be ill.

there's two ways to look at it.... and i get confused hearing both sides... a lot of you say don't breed a dog that isn't everything you would want in a pup... but others say breed if there's good characteistics and you might just get a good one.... it's a gamble either way... NO ONE knows how a pup is going to turn out... right?

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Hey

I have a buddy whos dog likes to half the time chase deer for miles and miles and he wanted to know what was the best way to deal with it

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Hey

I have a buddy whos dog likes to half the time chase deer for miles and miles and he wanted to know what was the best way to deal with it

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Mash.
You are WAY off.
Any dog that is aggressive is not fit to be hunted in hunts, or with young dogs, or with friends or enimies, or to ever be bred.
Breeding that dog is polluting the gene pool. It takes many years of breeding to get good traits into a line of dogs, and one stupid cross to get bad traits that it will take a lifetime to try to breed them out.
Now, as far as hunting in hunts. Hunt a facebarker, tree gaurder, fighting dog, and you will have one reputation that you will never get rid of. Plus, you will get scratched if the judge is any kind of a judge.
Hunt that dog with friends, and you will loose them quickly. Hunt a mean dog with your enimies, if you dislike them enough to do something like that to them.
Hunt that kind of a dog with young dogs if you want to ruin them.

Now tell me, what is that kind of dog is good for?????

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