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When you breed strand of blood time and time again. You through in out crosses and then line breed and do it over and over to where your dog papers read just that blood line that is 25 years old .What do you really have ,Wouldnt the origanal traits you wanted be gone? Just wandering your opinoin

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Now let me say this also .I am not talking about breeding to different females .I am talking breeding just to keep the blood line alive!
To me breeding the same male to 40 different females would be better .Than breeding the same male just to keep "the ole Blood"

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You could keep the traits and have breed the old blood down to a small fraction ... traits don't mix like paint , they are more like a light switch ... if a dog has the same trait as it's grandparent .. it's not a weaker version ... it's just as potent.

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They haven't been bread out of the wild ones yet. They don't even have anyone picking and chooseing who they breed to. If it is a good cross they make it and if it isn't they die. If some of them get good benes and the others don't the ones that get them make it and the other ones die.
If the breeding thing isn't going as well as it use to. That is what I would look at first. The ones that don't have hunting and pray instinct at a young age not getting fixed so they can't reproduce or killed like they would in the wild.

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i have seein breeding animals including dogs that grandparents put an awful lott into the grand pups but it gets less the more they get away from the grandparents thats why linebreeding works as the traites become locked in due to the smaller gene pool traits are tied to the genes

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That a dog that is mean will it show up again & again?? And if slick treeing is a problem will it show up (or could it be man made)?? But Will a red head show up only because its a certain line bred breed??

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What kinda traits can you breed to reproduce? Is a mean tree dog (stud) worthy of being a reproducer??

Would you breed to a dog that trees 1 coon out of 10 trees every time you take him out??

Would you breed this dog just to keep the OLE blood going??

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What kinda traits can you breed to reproduce? Is a mean tree dog (stud) worthy of being a reproducer??

Would you breed to a dog that trees 1 coon out of 10 trees every time you take him out??

Would you breed this dog just to keep the OLE blood going??

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breeding to a dog that is line bred strenghtens instincts and abilities. your dog needs adjusted. Breeding to every female you can weakens the bloodline you are trying to preserve. brings out the best and worst of traits. Why breed to 40 females who are not what you are trying to preserve? Must be in it for the stud money. I wouldnt breed to just any female unless i knew about thier bloodlines stregths and weaknesses. Making outcross could produce a mean streak that never showed up in a linebred dog until an outcross was made. OR he/she was hunted with mean dogs.

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breeding to a dog that is line bred strenghtens instincts and abilities. your dog needs adjusted. Breeding to every female you can weakens the bloodline you are trying to preserve. brings out the best and worst of traits. Why breed to 40 females who are not what you are trying to preserve? Must be in it for the stud money. I wouldnt breed to just any female unless i knew about thier bloodlines stregths and weaknesses. Making outcross could produce a mean streak that never showed up in a linebred dog until an outcross was made. OR he/she was hunted with mean dogs.

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But it is a dog on a post on here that is asking everyone to breed to. And it has these traits!!!!

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I belive you know this person ,you have the or had the same blood. You went to his web site and left some comments ......

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Belive your going to breed your female now!! Weak I guess you will find out . But for sure you will have what you asked for

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but i have the bloodline in my dogs. Have not seen any where he is advertising his dog for stud. Sounds like you have a beef with him or jealous usually this is the problem, or he hunts something other than what you are hunting. Has he been scratched or written up? If not you should be careful on your post. Yes if I had a good female I would drive to his place to breed her from Texas. I like that old blood. Besides why are you worried what someone ellse does? Are your dogs perfect? If not post thier faults on your post so everyone sees what you got. Why are you so down on this fella?

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You aint got a clue of what your talking about again! This is a bougus post just to catch you and it worked you aint got a clue about anything!! I knew you get on this post just to say somthing off the wall and it WORKED SUCKER !!!!!!!!!

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i believe you can breed for traits i had a heck of a track dog but she didnt have much tree power she wouldnt leave or anything just not real impressive on tree so i bred her to a rat attack dog named mon river rat he was a nice lil tree dog now i have pups that can flat drive a track and tree with some power they sure are accurate at 19 mos old all 5 are running there own coon 3 that i know of started treeing their own by the time they were 8 mos old so ibelieve i got the traits that i was hoping to get i think it worked out extremly well jmo

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breeding to a dog that is line bred strenghtens instincts and abilities. your dog needs adjusted. Breeding to every female you can weakens the bloodline you are trying to preserve. brings out the best and worst of traits. Why breed to 40 females who are not what you are trying to preserve? Must be in it for the stud money. I wouldnt breed to just any female unless i knew about thier bloodlines stregths and weaknesses. Making outcross could produce a mean streak that never showed up in a linebred dog until an outcross was made. OR he/she was hunted with mean dogs.

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If any of you guys follow english blood check out my male pups papers, he is a product of 40 years of linebreeding and take a look at the OLD blood that is now up close!



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Thats a funny joke LMAO!!!

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You talkin about my post??

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ya if its not a joke id think somthing jumped the fence lol

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dang.. i was in a hunt last night. When we got to the woods and I saw the other dogs I asked one fella if his female was clover bred. It was an english dog. She was blanket backed with no ticks and very little red.... He owns the sire and dam. Said it was one of 2 in a litter of 12 that turned out lookin' like walkers. He said that he has had several with this same line breeding that have looked like that. I thought it was kinda cool.

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Nope nothing jumped the fence... He is english and thats his ped.! I will say that he is THE ONLY white black brown pup outta this line. I get a kick outta havin to explain hes not a walker LOL... He is really ticked up in the white but for some reason it didnt show in the pic? He is line bred GRNICH Harmons Ink.

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