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Does one breed stand out as having the trait of "checking in" with the hunter or do most all just hunt all out until the coon is found? I have hunted with Walkers and know how that went I have hunted with a good English and she checked in after the first loop. How about the Plott?

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I don't think hunting style is a breed trait as much as it is a strain trait with in the various strainsin the variuos breeds. As a rule of thumb, the more competition bred a strain is, the more wide hunting the strain may be. Personally, while I make some crosses with competition hunting in mind, I prefer some of my "40 acre" bred coon dogs. By that, I mean they will hunt out 40 acres or so and then check back in if they don't find anything. Today's competition bred hounds are bred not to turn back, you catch them off of a tree.

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Which stinks and I don't like that in a dog. Here in NC you don't have a lot of large tracts to hunt. The more your dog strays out of range the more problems it causes. Neighbors get mad and you lose your permission to hunt that property. But to answer your question I noticed more B&T's and blueticks check back good. Also if your not deadset on a hound, cur dogs are good about it, from my experience. And the older a dog is the more likely you are to get a hound that will check back in any breed. Good luck on finding what you're looking for.

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I think checking in can largely be trained into a dog more so than looking for a line of dogs that have that trait.

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I want to find a strain within a breed that hunts 40 ac. and checks in. Does anyone promote this in their breeding? We have about 200 acreas behind the house. I don't competition hunt. I hunt with my son for the fun, and it is no fun huntin the dog.

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I think checking in can largely be trained into a dog more so than looking for a line of dogs that have that trait.

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My Walker male checks in regularly, and I LOVE IT!

We have thin coon populations, so a dog that needs to go 3 miles before finding a track to run is of little use to me. I prefer them to hunt the area you bring them to and come back if they cant find a track so we can load up and go to the next place.

I think mostly, if you make the hound your buddy and really bond with them, they'll be more apt to hunt with you...and check in rather than go all night and not care where you are!

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I have two plotts at the house that are actually1/2 brother and sister. The female dogs sire is a littermate the the male dogs dam. The other side of the pedigree is also very close.
The male dogs is a wide hunter. He just always tended to get way out of pocket passing coon on his way. He was miserable to hunt and I really never enjoyed taking him out. To be honest, it was stressful.

The female works about perfect. she hunts out, if she strikes a track she takes it till she gets treed, if she doesn't she is on her way back. I put a bell on her and it is rare I can't hear it as long as I am not close to the highway.

If I were you rifleman I would buy a dog that hunts what you like. Most likely it would be considered a "pleasure dog" and would be lower in price that something that is made to compete. Trying to start a dog and hope it turns out to hunt like you want can be a long time and expensive investment. Good luck.

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You can thank the comp. hunters and breeders for the race horse style hound that is being produced today. Has very little to do with a certain breed, its been done to all of them to some extent. I have been following hounds at night for almost fourty years and have witnessed how hounds have changed. Back in the seventies no one i knew even owned a tracking system and we seemed to be able to come home at the end of the night with our dogs in the box. Today i own two that i would never turn loose without a tracking collar or id be doing alot of driving and listening. Spending half the night trying to find dogs that are out of pocket takes alot of the fun out of the sport. These guys that tell you they have thin coon and need a dog that will get in there a mile or two have just forgot what a coondog that will work the first track he comes to is like. They think they have no coon because they have no coondog.

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You can thank the comp. hunters and breeders for the race horse style hound that is being produced today. Has very little to do with a certain breed, its been done to all of them to some extent. I have been following hounds at night for almost fourty years and have witnessed how hounds have changed. Back in the seventies no one i knew even owned a tracking system and we seemed to be able to come home at the end of the night with our dogs in the box. Today i own two that i would never turn loose without a tracking collar or id be doing alot of driving and listening. Spending half the night trying to find dogs that are out of pocket takes alot of the fun out of the sport. These guys that tell you they have thin coon and need a dog that will get in there a mile or two have just forgot what a coondog that will work the first track he comes to is like. They think they have no coon because they have no coondog.

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I like them bred to go but train them to handle as I like.
I like to pull a dog off a tree, but I don't like one that doesn't hunt the woods I put in and consistently blows through to get under a coon.
Oakridge's Cube dog fits the bill. That little sucker will tree the 1st coon he comes across, often so quick he'll catch you by suprise but then he'll go as far as he needs to to find another one. I don't know if I ever saw him "check in", but if I owned him I'm sure he had enough sense and drive to please I could make him check in because he was always hunting his way out, even when he did get deep.
Too many of these "get deep with a coon" types didn't even hunt the timber you put them in, and some of the lazy check in often dogs didn't either.
If you have a dog that can tree 2-3 separate coons in a small 40 acre patch woods, and also get in there a mile in thin coon and tree one, then you might just have a real coondog.
A buddy of mine hunts the same line of dogs I do. I don't think his dogs check in. He trees more coon than I do also, but I'm comfortable that mine are safer because they'll check in from time to time if they haven't gotten treed.
Its all preference. Most you can train to check in. Its tougher to train one to "go".

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I like them bred to go but train them to handle as I like.
I like to pull a dog off a tree, but I don't like one that doesn't hunt the woods I put in and consistently blows through to get under a coon.
Oakridge's Cube dog fits the bill. That little sucker will tree the 1st coon he comes across, often so quick he'll catch you by suprise but then he'll go as far as he needs to to find another one. I don't know if I ever saw him "check in", but if I owned him I'm sure he had enough sense and drive to please I could make him check in because he was always hunting his way out, even when he did get deep.
Too many of these "get deep with a coon" types didn't even hunt the timber you put them in, and some of the lazy check in often dogs didn't either.
If you have a dog that can tree 2-3 separate coons in a small 40 acre patch woods, and also get in there a mile in thin coon and tree one, then you might just have a real coondog.
A buddy of mine hunts the same line of dogs I do. I don't think his dogs check in. He trees more coon than I do also, but I'm comfortable that mine are safer because they'll check in from time to time if they haven't gotten treed.
Its all preference. Most you can train to check in. Its tougher to train one to "go".

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40 acres ???

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I may be guilty of coining the phrase "40 acre" coon dogs. It means patch timber dogs. Dogs that will hunt 20-30 minutes and check in. Here in Illinois, we are losing our big places to hunt. So closer hunting dogs may work better.

You can influence wide hunting dogs to hunt closer, I have done it. But, it is better to have dogs bred to hunt that way. You won't do it with "all Grand pedigrees".

I love my English but I have hunted Mt Curs for a good while and I have places where they work the best.

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a dog that will hunt an "honest 40"(1/4 mileX1/4 mile) before checking in and really hunt it, take tracks as it finds them, and trees them with the meat is a hound i could really like.

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a dog that will hunt an "honest 40"(1/4 mileX1/4 mile) before checking in and really hunt it, take tracks as it finds them, and trees them with the meat is a hound i could really like.

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I have one of those go yonder dogs and would like him to check in. He is 4 and getting wider all the time. Have a 5 month old pup that is a 1/2 brother to him also and do not want him to do the same. As for breeding they are both off of Lippers Stylish Cade.
What are some suggestions for getting them to patch hunt. If I wanted him to hunt a mile away I would haul him there.

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I had the same problem when I started going through dogs trying to find one that I liked. I hunted with my neighbor and a local who started walkers for a guy out of Bristol. the dogs had to go or he wouldn't hunt them if they came back it was a come to god meeting. I didn't like that style of hunting and had started talking to my neighbor about it he preferred a close hunting dog himself. but between the three of us there wasn't one. we ended up getting pups that were 9-12 months old about the same time my neighbor tells me we need to hunt these dogs by thierselves so they don't catch onto the trait of going through three counties so we did. we walked them through the woods along branches showed them a few caged coon so they would get the idea once they started to venture out a few minutes pet them when they come back to you they'll figure out thats what you want the stay gone too long call them back each time thay came back we would walk them in a different direction or to another place don't know if works everytime but it has for me. the dog my neighbor trained this way was out of the walkers, mine's a Bluetick


I tried the curs also for squirrel and coon combo dog they will stick to your side. just ain't near as pretty as a hound to me.

my dog most of the time will start hunting right where you turn her loose at nose to the ground. not everytime but a good part of it
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I don't know if what I am going to tell you will help ,but here it goes . Me and a freind of mine use to hunt one of his dogs named Hi-ball and HiBall would circle us and if he found one he would work it out to he had the meat now that could be far or it could be short. But if he did not find anything in that circle , when we saw him come by we knew if we wanted to move to call ,if we wanted to hunt more of that area to say going get get some . That dog would go then , now that could mean two ridges over or it could be just around the bend. Now with al of that being said , I don't know if we done it or if he just hunted that way . All we did was when we started him we would walk him thru the woods till he picked up something and let him loose on it . And I will tell you now I would not be scared to hunt that dog with anyones so called coondogs. I have to agree with everybody on here its all what you want .

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I want to find a strain within a breed that hunts 40 ac. and checks in. Does anyone promote this in their breeding? We have about 200 acreas behind the house. I don't competition hunt. I hunt with my son for the fun, and it is no fun huntin the dog.

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I have to say i think alot of you guys give yourselves way to much credit. When a dog turns out it is the way i trained him, and when one doesnt it was poor breeding. This NATURE__NURTURE thing for the most part is a bunch of balooney. A dogs hunting style is genetic, no different than his tree style or the way he uses his mouth on a track. I will give you an example, There are two older guys that live near me that are hunting buddies. They bought two male pups from the same litter. They were raised the same, handled the same, hunted the same (every other night and always alone) and at three years old they are both top hounds, but have completly different styles, One is a close thorough hunter that is tight on track and trees the most coon. The other is a wide hunter that is wide open on track and will work a colder track. Its kinda like carring a baby duck down to the creek and tossing him in and when he paddles off sayin look at that i taught him to swim. You can make a pup your buddy, you can teach him some social skills, lead,load,come when called, and most important you can haul him to the woods (LOTS), beyond that its either in the dog or its not. JMO.

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