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Rob Ellett
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Some Tailgate BS'ing - Play nice

I hope some will read this and respond as this off subject but is something I feel more worthy of "tailgate BS" than whether or not President Obama should have or have not been awarded the Noble Peace Prize.
Maybe an intelligent conversation on this subject can lead to some fresh ideas and a possible ground swell to encourage-no force our elected officials to act.
Have at it and lets see if we can keep this thread from neverland of deletion.


Anyone watch the History Channels series " The Crumbling of America" ? If so I'm sure you were as shocked and angry as I was. We have put ourselves on a path of certain collapse of which we may not be able to pull our Nation out of.

During the beginning of this recession and the stimulus recovery action you heard allot of talk about "infrastructure stimulus"

besides some repaving and sidewalk replacement I haven't seen much " infrastructure repair". Were is all this badly needed infrastructure work being done?

Our infrastructure has came to the end of its design life and needs to be REPLACED not repaired, Our Nations safety,Our Nations commerce is in an unimaginable danger, we are on the verge of becoming a "third world country".

With the amount of infrastructure work needing to be replaced and upgraded we could put back to work every person currently unemployed and the some. We have ahead of us what I believe to be our Nations biggest challenge and opportunity, the rebirth of America to its glory as the bright shinning light in the night, the land of opportunity, instead of our current path of dread and despair.

We have allowed China to become the work shop of the world and they have filled their coffers with money and now are ready to go the next step and become the owner employers of the world, were do you see the United States in this?

The following is from a recent CNN article.

"America has 457 miles of high-speed track from Boston to Washington, D.C. In Japan, by comparison, trains netting speeds up to 188 miles-per-hour cross 1,360 miles of track; France features 1,180 miles of rail to support trains that can travel up to 199 miles-per-hour. China aspires to dart even farther ahead with its $300 billion-16,000 mile high-speed rail project."

" Last month, 40 states -- both individually and in groups -- submitted 278 pre-applications for various stimulus-funded high-speed passenger rail projects, amounting to $102.5 billion in requests. Final applications are due August 24, and the FRA will begin distributing funds in September.

Though it has until September 2012 to obligate all monies, Flatau expects "ready-to-go" projects, such as system upgrades that will help existing trains travel faster, to be among the first to receive funds because they are most likely to deliver the government the "biggest bang for the buck" -- advancing both the high-speed rail system and America's recovery efforts through job creation.

In addition to the Boston-to-Washington Northeast Corridor, the federal government has targeted ten regions for high-speed rail development since the early 1990s. These include a California Corridor spanning from Sacramento to San Diego and, as of July 2, linking Los Angeles to Las Vegas; a Chicago Hub Network spreading in all directions from the Windy City to the greater Midwest; and a South Central Corridor that forks from Texas into both Arkansas and Oklahoma.

Though the corridor outlines have guided the planning process, Flatau says they do not necessarily represent the final plans for the nation's high-speed rail network. "Nothing has been predetermined," he says, citing environmental considerations and land rights as potential hurdles.

In July, Congress gave high-speed rail an additional boost when the House of Representatives set aside $4 billion of its $68.8 billion fiscal 2010 transportation and housing appropriations bill to aid the high-speed passenger rail program, which awaits Senate approval. Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood may still choose to devote $2 billion of this money to the proposed national infrastructure bank, which will make loans for future transportation projects if Congress approves its creation next year. Regardless, $2 billion for high-speed rail amounts to twice the $1 billion President Obama initially suggested the federal government would spend on the program each year."

If anyone has managed to make it this far what are your thoughts.

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Oh, come on now!

Would you rather argue about Pres. Obama's recent award and his race or an intelligent discussion about how to save our Nation and put millions back to work?

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Rob my opinion on this is pretty short there is nothing you or i or the american people can do about this mess that our Elected officials of the United States of America have gotten us into and what is going on in the world ,


PEOPLE NEED TO LISTEN CLOSELY it will get worse before it gets better, ITS written in black and white, A certain ONE will tell you its getting better, But he is the false profit, but everyone needs to PRAY and keep there EYES TO THE EAST, THEN IT WILL GET BETTER, i am not a preacher, and im not holier than thou but i know what my future holds and i know what lies in store for the GOOD OLD USA. JMO and you know what they say about that lol

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David thanks for your reply

You may or may not be right but one thing is for sure , he who waits for action will always be lead and he who is of action will lead.
We are in this not because of faltering from religious beliefs but from sitting on our back sides complaining about how the other guy has sold out and not trying to help his constituents.
We need to put all this behind us and figure out how to bring action to every man and women in this country.

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89 views and only one man took the time to add his thoughts

What is it folks do you not care or are you waiting for someone to come take your hand and lead you into the promised land?

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Will all the spending make a difference when Isreal bombs Iran????????????????


What will happend to our fuel supplies. The cost of food???

Buy some seeds, wheat, dried beans, and chickens ect.

Hard times are coming.

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Coldtrail

I agree that some back to home living is in order but buying in to the fear and hype of possible actions by other country's and what repercussions on this country are only intentional misguiding.
Action in rebuilding our country will bring about more hope not only in our country but in the World.

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This picture is as fragmented as our society is

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Remeber what happened to Rome

A country that can't keep its bridges from collapsing is not going to be running the world very much longer. That's the interesting thing about the standard historical trajectory of imperial elites...at a certain point they either (1) forget the power they can wield outside their country ultimately derives from a healthy society beneath them, or (2) understand that but decide they'd rather be comparatively more powerful within a poorer society and less powerful outside.

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im not sure if high speed trains will ever catch on here, i dont think enough people will use them

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Re: Remeber what happened to Rome

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A country that can't keep its bridges from collapsing is not going to be running the world very much longer. That's the interesting thing about the standard historical trajectory of imperial elites...at a certain point they either (1) forget the power they can wield outside their country ultimately derives from a healthy society beneath them, or (2) understand that but decide they'd rather be comparatively more powerful within a poorer society and less powerful outside.



remember rome? this is a recurring theme of mine.

how about overspending and using "money" devaluation as the means of financing it all. WE ARE BROKE- we cannot continue to finance pie in the sky statist dreams. our children will hate us in the end as i hold my grandparents responsible for the likes of fdr.

how you like that discussion?

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Hey Rance

You may be right but, if you look at the design life of bridges and highways and they cost to build these for a longer design life if a high speed rail system is intergrated into our national transportation system it can help to extend the life of the other ie roads ,bridges.
It will also go a ways toward lowering our greenhouse emissions. This along with rebuilding our inter-cites instead of urban sprawl(the boone of all houndsmen) and again another means in which to put our nations construction force back to work.
But I am just one lowely educated man hoping to bring about reasonable discussion among my peers as how to change the course we are on, Rance you are an intelligent and well spoken young man do you have any ideas?

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Re: Re: Remeber what happened to Rome

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remember rome? this is a recurring theme of mine.

how about overspending and using "money" devaluation as the means of financing it all. WE ARE BROKE- we cannot continue to finance pie in the sky statist dreams. our children will hate us in the end as i hold my grandparents responsible for the likes of fdr.

how you like that discussion?


I like it John, and can agree, how do you think we can change this, just what can we do as people of action?

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the prob with this sountry these days is that everyone is just sitting back and waiting for something to happen,lets get off our ass and get out there and make something happen,its up to us the american people to do this, not one man sitting in a big white house out east

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Now your talking!!!!

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the prob with this sountry these days is that everyone is just sitting back and waiting for something to happen,lets get off our ass and get out there and make something happen,its up to us the american people to do this, not one man sitting in a big white house out east


What are some of your ideas? Lets hear them we all need to spaek our minds and find the right path.

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i know like me in bad times i own a union painting company here in minnesota instead of sitting back i work 10 times as hard to go out and pound the pavement to make sure i keep my guys working ,which in turns put money in there pocket that they go out and spend in the economy and as little as it is it helps out,we just have to poke our chest out like the good old days and work for it again and stop waiting for some one to just hand us a free lunch ,this country was built on hard work lets get back to that and we will be fine in time

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Is your community in danger?

"America's infrastructure is collapsing. Tens of thousands of bridges are structurally deficient or functionally obsolete. A third of the nation's highways are in poor or mediocre shape. Massively leaking water and sewage systems are creating health hazards and contaminating rivers and streams. Weakened and under-maintained levees and dams tower over communities and schools. And the power grid is increasingly maxed out, disrupting millions of lives and putting entire cities in the dark. The Crumbling of America explores these problems using expert interviews, on location shooting and computer generated animation to illustrate the kinds of infrastructure disasters that could be just around the bend."

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All right, I like the way you think

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i know like me in bad times i own a union painting company here in minnesota instead of sitting back i work 10 times as hard to go out and pound the pavement to make sure i keep my guys working ,which in turns put money in there pocket that they go out and spend in the economy and as little as it is it helps out,we just have to poke our chest out like the good old days and work for it again and stop waiting for some one to just hand us a free lunch ,this country was built on hard work lets get back to that and we will be fine in time


As a member of District Council 58 Painters Local 363 I understand exactly what your saying and stand behind it was well.
Many think that contractors are out there getting rich, some are, but allot are out there making money by providing work for men that realize that for them to earn a paycheck they need to work hard enough to make it worth while(ie make a profit) to continue as a business.
We have a few contractors who think like you in our area but not near enough.
Out of 100 working members as of this week nearly 90 are laid off, not looking to good.

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wow that is alot of guys out of work,ya everyone thinks because i own a union shop that im rich lol i wish,it cost alot of money to just keep one man working a month up here in the big city,but the guys i have kept are worth every penny and it a pride thing to me to know that me working hard means they get to work and feed there families and support our local economy,times are hard but if everyone would just work hard things will get better(or i hope anyway) work hard ,play hard and enjoy your life god only gives you one chance to live it ,so like the old saying goes live like you were dieing i guess i know i am

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Sure is allot

Last year we had 5 sky cranes in town and travelers from all over the country working in Champaign Il and now there isn't one hole in the ground.
Last contractor I was working for was concentrating on smaller jobs those small remodels or small additions.
He was doing well for awhile but if the money to continue more work isn't there you just cant keep men on the payroll.
Whats the main scope of your work? Painting, Drywall finishing?

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A million + showed up at the white house door step disagreeing with health care and our media slid that under the rug. This is the type of action we need more of.

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I agree Lee

They will continue until we come from all walks of life and we shout at every corner we can.
What ideas do you have to help change this?

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Re: Now your talking!!!!

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What are some of your ideas? Lets hear them we all need to spaek our minds and find the right path.


OHHH CANADA.... LOL

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I agree that some back to home living is in order but buying in to the fear and hype of possible actions by other country's and what repercussions on this country are only intentional misguiding.
Action in rebuilding our country will bring about more hope not only in our country but in the World.




Soi if we have nice trains and bridges we can be like france?????????? or China?????? Who the hell wants that?????????

we have become a nation of entitlement on the verge of socialism. We want the government to discipline and educate or kids, take care of our retirement, provide for the elderly. What made this country great was individualism, we take care of our selves and our own.

I want to take care of my family and myself and not depend on a government handout and its all fear?????????? We need to get back to what made us unique and great but I fear its too late. I don't think it bridges and trains.

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Re: Sure is allot

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Last year we had 5 sky cranes in town and travelers from all over the country working in Champaign Il and now there isn't one hole in the ground.
Last contractor I was working for was concentrating on smaller jobs those small remodels or small additions.
He was doing well for awhile but if the money to continue more work isn't there you just cant keep men on the payroll.
Whats the main scope of your work? Painting, Drywall finishing?

mine just painting,no drywall please lol hate that stuff,we do just big stuff really anymore but with the way it is going now ill take anything that someone wants to let me paint as long as it keeps me working im fine with what ever it is

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