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This question kinda goes along with the other interference question that came up earlier.
Last Saturday night the cast parked along a state hiway and cast the dogs. During that first drop one dog returned to the trucks where a spectator that was along with that same dogs handler was staying at the truck. He saw the dog come back and get out on the hiway. The spectator grabbed up the dog and put him in the box so he wouldn't get hit which was of course the senseable thing to do.
The question is what should the judge do when returning to the trucks and finding that the spectator put the dog in the box? If the judge doesn't scratch for spectator interference, does he take any action at all? Or just go to the next drop and recast all dogs?

Also 6(d), the 30 minute rule can't b applied because the judge never knew the dog was in the box till he got back and you can't scratch under that rule if the 30 minute clock was never run.

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I say Scratch

Not trying to be a Jerk, but did the judge call time out for highway intreferance. Would the spectator have loaded someone elses dog up if it came to the road, not likely. Granted getting the dog out of the road was the sensible thing to do, but the spectator should have walked to the cast and got the dog to go with him away from the road. When he got to the cast he should have told them what had happened.

On the other hand a good spectator would have cought the dog and sent him hunting the other side of the road so he could go get a coon byhimself, if the dog was capable.

If that Judge doesn't Scratch him, then what else can you do besides go to the next drop and cut the dogs. The dog never struck or treed, he never came in and stood by the judge, what else could a person do.

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i would think he is scratched for handling without the judges permission... if it was me, i wouldn't of turned loose off a state hwy period.. the last hunt i was entered in the guide wanted to turn loose into a 40 acre corn field with cars buzzing at 60 mph on the left side of the corn field..it was a highway..that was the first drop of the night and there was no way in he!! i was turning my dog loose there..

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if i was the judge he wouldnt have been scratched unless the rest of the cast escalated it to the point where i had no choice. i dont think we should discourage folks for interfering when a dog is in obvious danger.

if it was my spectator, i would have thanked him in that situation

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there are alot of variables to this question , had the dog opened if so was hear near the interfearance and if he was how come the cast wasn't moving towards the hound that was close to interfearance and if the hound had not opened why did the cast leave the the area where there could possibly interfearance and get a dog in trouble,


solution vote not to turn your dogs loose before you do and go back to the club and get a better guide

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I've been on a hunt where dogs were turned loose next to a road(NOT highway) and a spectator was asked to stay at the truck and catch any dog than came back onto the road. Is this allowed by UKC rules???

It may be a smart thing to do to keep someones dog from getting killed but is it against the rules???

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I don't have a rulebook here in front of me but I would say that the dog would be scratched under interferance.

I remember a hunt I went to back in Feb. of this year when the judges dog was caught at the truck by a spectator (we didn't know until we got back to the trucks) and he scratched himself no questions.

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Bad break for the handler but his hunts over. 1 handler is responsible for the actions of his spectators and he wasnt given permission to handle his dog. 2. the dog could not complete Two full hours of hunt time.

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jcuuler8,

I would have to agree with you, but I wouldn't use the word interference to describe the reason for the scratch. It may confuse the matter.

By the spectator catching the dog it is no longer able to compete for points, and it would be the same result as me withdrawing my dog when I felt the situation was unsafe.

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What if the spectator caught someone else's dog and not the dog being hunted by the person he was spectating. Would the dog he caught still be scratched???

The spectator would be in trouble but what about the dog???

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2. the dog could not complete Two full hours of hunt time.

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Originally posted by JiM
This question kinda goes along with the other interference question that came up earlier.
Last Saturday night the cast parked along a state hiway and cast the dogs. During that first drop one dog returned to the trucks where a spectator that was along with that same dogs handler was staying at the truck. He saw the dog come back and get out on the hiway. The spectator grabbed up the dog and put him in the box so he wouldn't get hit which was of course the senseable thing to do.
The question is what should the judge do when returning to the trucks and finding that the spectator put the dog in the box? If the judge doesn't scratch for spectator interference, does he take any action at all? Or just go to the next drop and recast all dogs?

Also 6(d), the 30 minute rule can't b applied because the judge never knew the dog was in the box till he got back and you can't scratch under that rule if the 30 minute clock was never run.

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Thats a tough one and can get complicated. Under the rule , I suppose he is scratched since it was his spectator that fouled up. You are responsible for your spectators handling or shining trees.

But what if that same spectator caught MY DOG? He is not my spectator and I'm not responsible for someone else's spectators actions.

If he caught my dog , the whole drop would have to be deleted and that would suck if your dog treed a coon while mine was locked up in the box without anyone knowing it.

I know alot of guys would move on to the next drop without a scratch..... That would show some sportsmanship , but you have to consider that the dog wasn't able to recieve points either plus or minus and that is not fair to the rest of the cast.... If you treed a coon while he was in the box, you would want to keep the score , but if you treed a possum , you would want to delete it.

The only fair way to do it is , scratch if it was the handlers spectator ,, OR delete the whole drop if it was a differant dog that was caught.. IMO.

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THATS JUST WHAT HAPPEN TOO ME IN A UKC HUNT,
TWO WEEKS AGO,THE OTHER SPECTATOR CAUGHT
MINE DOG PUT HIM IN THE DOG BOX,SAID HE WAS ON THE ROAD,ALL I DID WAS QUIT< DIDN"T KNOW THE ANSWER!!

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i wouldnt have even got a dog out of the box if we were parked right beside a highway,kind of a nobrainer!!

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If i can't beat the dog thats in the box i'm done also. I don't think you can scratch him looks like it under common sense rule.

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Originally posted by BOOBOOBRADY
If i can't beat the dog thats in the box i'm done also. I don't think you can scratch him looks like it under common sense rule.

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BOO , I agree ,, I would like a chance to beat a dog thats in the box also ,, but we can't have spectators grabing dogs whenever they feel like it.

If we are going to allow that ,, I'll just have a spectator handy to grab mine the next time your dog bays a possum ,, or I'll have my spectator grab my dog and sick him on a tree that we see a coon sitting up.

Its a slippery slope you see... You guys remember STRETCH the dog grabber???

I will lastly say this.... If no harm is done (no points at stake) and its was done for safety's sake with good intentions ,, and I can be a good sport and let the guy keep hunting as long as the other cast members dont want to pizz and moan all night long about it. Lets head to the next spot and keep hunting if possible.

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Thats why i make spectator walk every step i do part of the game we play whole cast fault for leaving him there, everyone knows the chances we take coon hunting

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gen. information each handler is alowed 2 specators
at draw out so i take it there part of the cast.the cast
has to stay together throw the card away and move on

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quote:

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Originally posted by stormattack
i wouldnt have even got a dog out of the box if we were parked right beside a highway,kind of a nobrainer!!

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Originally posted by Dan Dogs
i would think he is scratched for handling without the judges permission... if it was me, i wouldn't of turned loose off a state hwy period.. the last hunt i was entered in the guide wanted to turn loose into a 40 acre corn field with cars buzzing at 60 mph on the left side of the corn field..it was a highway..that was the first drop of the night and there was no way in he!! i was turning my dog loose there..

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Give yourself some credit Dave, I don't think it was even 40 acres...

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In my opinion the one needing scratched here would be the GUIDE that took them to a state highway to turn dogs loose.

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Heck let em scratch me..Atleast my dog would still be alive and thats probably how most hunters at a hunt would feel.

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Originally posted by rance56
if i was the judge he wouldnt have been scratched unless the rest of the cast escalated it to the point where i had no choice. i dont think we should discourage folks for interfering when a dog is in obvious danger.

if it was my spectator, i would have thanked him in that situation

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I would have just withdrawn. We hunted a patch of woods like that. Great little woods, used to always like turning into it, but then they timbered a section of it and the coons started crossing the State Highway more and getting hit more. After a couple times of running after the dogs to catch them before they got to the road, I finally said I was not cutting loose in there anymore. Surprised it took me that long to call it quits really. My dad still takes his own dogs in there some though.

But to reply to your question.
I would certainly thank the spectator for catching the dog, but you can't have anyone with the cast catching dogs during hunting time. Where would you draw the line if that was acceptable? The person with that spectator is Scratched.

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