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liberalcreek
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It isnt about Healthcare

First thing the Dems do after taking over the White House is to place the Census Bureau under their control. Did you know that in large urban areas and states that vote liberal/Democrat they are going to include illegal aliens in their counts and allow those states to have more elected reps which will give the liberal voting states MORE ELECTORAL VOTES for the Presidential election. THis will give the Democrats the numbers to never lose a Presidential election again.

Next, control the healthcare of the people and make them basically become dependents upon the govt. The more dependents, the less opposition to the controlling party.

"If you expand the bureaucratic class and you expand the dependent class, you can put together a permanent electoral majority."

http://www.steynonline.com/content/view/2341/26/

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The healthcare debate has taught me not to believe much of what I hear on the internet and nothing I hear from Sarah Palin.

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The healthcare debate has taught me not to believe much of what I hear on the internet and nothing I hear from Sarah Palin.

So you are hooked on the Obama kool aid as well.

Do you want me to post a link to the actual house version of the bill and let you read it for yourself?

After reading it you can come back on here and apologize to folks for being so uneducated about what your Govt is trying to do to this country.

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Here ya go Jim, A link top a PDF file so you can print off all 1,016 pages of it and read while sitting on "the throne".

http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/...Text-071409.pdf

Make sure you have plenty of printer paper. I bet Obama has some sort of stimulus bill rebate so you can cut down a couple of trees to supply thr paper to print it off for yourself.

Here is a list of a few pages you want to pay close attention to.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/8851473...BillWhats-In-It

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You seem to to have some major problems with reading comprehension or maybe you just see what you want to see.
Both sides of the healthcare issue have thrown out enough disimformation and outright lies to make the whole thing impossible to judge one way or the other. And the major news organization haven't helped at all. Fox News backs there brand of propaganda and CNN takes the other extreme. Neither can be trusted.

Sarah Palin can do the apologizing. She is the one who is doing all the backtracking now.

Liberal, you may or may not be educated, I have no idea but your constant fall back on rudeness and insult to anyone who isn't kissing your backside leads me to believe you know more about ignorance than any one person should. You are totally incapable of civil discussion.

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quote:
Originally posted by JiM
You seem to to have some major problems with reading comprehension or maybe you just see what you want to see.
Both sides of the healthcare issue have thrown out enough disimformation and outright lies to make the whole thing impossible to judge one way or the other. And the major news organization haven't helped at all. Fox News backs there brand of propaganda and CNN takes the other extreme. Neither can be trusted.

Sarah Palin can do the apologizing. She is the one who is doing all the backtracking now.

Liberal, you may or may not be educated, I have no idea but your constant fall back on rudeness and insult to anyone who isn't kissing your backside leads me to believe you know more about ignorance than any one person should. You are totally incapable of civil discussion.

Jim, I posted the actual bill for you to read.
How much more civil do you want me to be?

Show us where Palin is backtracking. She told the truth about Obama's healthcare goons.

Did you know Obama's science czar and healthcare adviser say that people over 65 should be denied any major medical care ? Did you know that they also say a child isnt a true human ,viable and worthy of living until they are at least 6-7 years old?

You can claim all you want about me, but I post the truth. Feel free to show where I have ever posted anything that wasnt true.

Now read the bill, and then get back with us. if you see nothing wrong with th Govt telling you what kind, how much, and when you are worthy of medical care, then by all means, call your elected officials and tell them you are for this plan.

It all comes down to those who are self reliant, believe in liberty, and dont want the Govt controlling their lives. if you are against those things, you will love this bill.
You cna claim all you want

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Originally posted by JiM
your constant fall back on rudeness and insult to anyone who isn't kissing your backside leads me to believe you know more about ignorance than any one person should. You are totally incapable of civil discussion.

Insults and rudeness?? Where?? it is folsk with your train of thought that call anyone who doesnt agree with Obama as racists, klansmen, and bigots. It is Obama supporters that are undermining freedom and threatening, harassing and ATTACKING elderly and handicapped people at these meetings. it is the Democrats who are calling people like my mohter and father who attended a townhall meeting Monday night "terrorists" and "nazi's".

Your liberal party is showing their true colors. Freedom of speech is only guaranteed when it agrees with their agenda and takeover of this country.

Now go and read that bill and explain to us why it is a bill worthy of throwing our liberty and freedom and dignity down the drain.

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Illegals to Be Counted in 2010Census..How Can This to Happen?

Our Unconstitutional Census
California could get nine House seats it doesn�t deserve because illegal aliens will be counted in 2010.
http://online.wsj.com/article/...0796281832.html

Next year�s census will determine the apportionment of House members and Electoral College votes for each state. To accomplish these vital constitutional purposes, the enumeration should count only citizens and persons who are legal, permanent residents. But it won�t.

Instead, the U.S. Census Bureau is set to count all persons physically present in the country�including large numbers who are here illegally. The result will unconstitutionally increase the number of representatives in some states and deprive some other states of their rightful political representation. Citizens of �loser� states should be outraged. Yet few are even aware of what�s going on.

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LISTEN TO RONALD REAGAN!!!!!

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I agree Jim! Isnt there some sort of political website were a person can go and do there complaining it is like this vote for who you want to vote for everyone else vote for who they want to vote for this is a wed site to talk about a great sport that i assume everyone on here loves lets talk about it and look before someone says if you dont want to read about it dont i will go ahead and say i am taking your advise i am not going to anymore

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i will go ahead and say i am taking your advise i am not going to anymore

Of course.When you cant bear to hear the truth and accept you are wrong and uninformed and made a HUGE mistake by electing this Kenyan fraud, bury your head and run away. Stick the fingers in the ears and scream LALALALALALALA.

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Of course.When you cant bear to hear the truth and accept you are wrong and uninformed and made a HUGE mistake by electing this Kenyan fraud, bury your head and run away. Stick the fingers in the ears and scream LALALALALALALA.

lmao!!!!!!!!!!

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Creek said you're right about dems and illegals;Who's your side courting?

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Creek said you're right about dems and illegals;Who's your side courting?

I dont have a side. True, Constitution defending Americans in Washington are few and far between.

I wont trust someone who surrounds themselves with people who say children aren't human until a certain age and said that people over 65 shouldn't be given the care they need. No matter the party.

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Right on......................

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The healthcare debate has taught me not to believe much of what I hear on the internet and nothing I hear from Sarah Palin.

I have to agree with Jim...............

Very few people anymore that can be trusted, or that you can take their word on it......!!!

Anymore, I believe NOTHING unless my eyes see it................Tim

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Re: Right on......................

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I have to agree with Jim...............

Very few people anymore that can be trusted, or that you can take their word on it......!!!

Anymore, I believe NOTHING unless my eyes see it................Tim

I posted the house version of the bill they were trying to vote on last week.

The only reason you are ignorant of what it says is because you choose to be ignorant of it.

Just like the Democrats who laughed when the concerned citizens asked them to actually read it, you choose to be ignorant of it so you can claim people like myself are liars and members of a mob.

Liberals love people like you. Anyone who will believe what they say and sign on the dotted line without even reading the fine print are the evry ones they want towing their party line and supporting them with their votes.

Knox, Just close your eyes and agree with them.

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Creek i do agree with you on some issues but i'm yet to hear you run the repubs. down like you do the dems. That leads me to believe you on one side. I believe that both sides contributed to the decay america and it started further back than Obama.

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i'm yet to hear you run the repubs. down like you do the dems. That leads me to believe you on one side. I believe that both sides contributed to the decay america and it started further back than Obama.

When comparing Anti American Socialist traitors to crooks, I will side with the crooks everytime.

Obama covered for the mortgage mess. He had a hand in threatening and forcing banks to give unsecured loans to people who could never pay them via ACORN. Even when GW Bush and the Rep's were wanting an investigation into ot, the Dems blocked it and said everything was fine and dandy.

I have yet to hear any of your Obama supporters explain how quadrupling our national debt in less than 100 days.

I have yet to ever see how taxing the very people who create and fund the jobs in this country has helped the economy.

Obama nwo has told us that he will have the power to grant and deny medical care based on your age, health and viability and worth to society and the economy.

Is that what you want??

Obama is a radical Anti american. he has admitted ot in words and deeds. He needs to be in jail for treason, not sitting in the highest office in this country dismantling everything our founding fathers and soldiers sacrificed to create and sustain.

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Well I gotta give you an "A" for consistancy. Anyone and everyone who doesn't tow your line is ignorant.

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quote:
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Well I gotta give you an "A" for consistancy. Anyone and everyone who doesn't tow your line is ignorant.

The truth is always consistent.

READ THE BILL

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quote:
Originally posted by liberalcreek
The truth is always consistent.

READ THE BILL

He is not going to read the bill. Some folks want this stuff left on political threads and wish to remain ignorant to what is going on and some day they will begin to realize what their lack of knowledge and action has gotten them. By then it will be too late!
The Census Bureau is indeed going to start counting illegals as well as legal citizens and this will give states like Ca. and Fl. more delegates to push their agendas.
Regarding healthcare, have you heard of "The complete lives" system??? Better hope you are not too young, too old, or on disability.
How do you feel about the government using your tax dollars to kill babies?

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Creek said you're right about dems and illegals;Who's your side courting?

"MEN", track, just like you. as many as we can get. i got a feeling we agree more then disagree.

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Creek i do agree with you on some issues but i'm yet to hear you run the repubs. down like you do the dems. That leads me to believe you on one side. I believe that both sides contributed to the decay america and it started further back than Obama.

your right about both sides having responsibility, but adding decay on top of decay ain't gonna help. at some point we need a bulldozer.

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I don't see how anyone can see it as anything but deplorable that the gubment is actually going to count illegals in the census.

That means they are going to REWARD states that IGNORE the law by giving them even MORE POWER.

What the heck???????

If they aren't citizens then they shouldn't be counted in the census PERIOD.

If they aren't citizens and are here illegally they should be deported, no questions asked, the state that harbors them certianly shouldn't be rewarded.

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I've never started a new thread but I'm thinking about it. Something like How many wiskers is on your coondogs chinney chin chin?

Beyond that some people don't know, don't want to know, or just plain can't understand. But it's more complcated than that.

I was a kid and this old man was teaching me how to lay irrigation pipe. He said:

If you don't know. Ask. cause
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you just don't know you don't know you don't know you just don't know, don't ya know?

I thought the monkey had him. Back then.

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