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With Oaks being 50 some days away, UKC has to know the judges. So who are they? Is it true Wayne and Mark?

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With Oaks being 50 some days away, UKC has to know the judges. So who are they? Is it true Wayne and Mark?

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Priscilla some people might also want to know in case they are the breeder or have previously owned or have some connection like that to a dog they are showing.

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Dont know the judges but i hope there are many more non hunting judges this year. I know its probably not possible but i think all casts should have non hunting judges in this event. those" whopper " scores would be trimmed down tremendously.

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not really,,

with a good guide

and a good close/medium hunting COONDOG

these scores can be had..

with the coon that they have in indiana...

1st .you have to have a Coondog that dont head for the next county when turned loose before it starts hunting

2nd.. a good guide to dump you on top of the coon

3rd. a handler that knows if the dog is hung on a treetop or cant get thru a fence,,ect

all of the above with some luck that the coon are moving can get you big scores...

back several years ago i droped in a large cornfield that hadn't been hunted and i saw 15 coons in 1 hr.15 minutes shot out 13 that the dogs treed ....no i didnt have time to skin them till i got home,,
ps i saw 3 more sitting up after i put the dogs away and started walking the ditchline picking up the coons i carryed out to the road when i had to go back to the next tree the dogs treed on..

that dont happen often here ,,but in indiana with a good guide,and coon moving,,very easley happening..

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Steve and Autumn,

Thanks for the explaination. Since I am new I am trying to learn as much as possible. I guess the time will come when we will have a certain judge we don't want to show under. LOL!! Just never looked at it that way before. The new has not worn off yet!!! HA HA

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That some judges have a particular "LOOK" that they prefer in a hound. We have just an array to pick from anymore, so you keep a running list of what judges pick, and if you have dogs that don't fit the judges profile - - - why waste the money!?!

Ms. Autumn has a great point - with so many breeders it would be nice to know in case you've bought a dog, sold a dog, the judge is the breeder, maybe you've even showed dogs for that particular judge.... then you respect the sport and DON'T enter. This will control the "politics"!!!! So we hope!

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I wonder if Wayne C. is going to judge

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I believe the announcement is scheduled for August 1. Good luck everyone!

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Hey "Stack"
I believe Wayne and/or Mark would be GREAT judges. Mark's seminars on judging are based on his many years of experience and I believe Wayne has judged at Crufts. They'd take a good, qualified look at MOVEMENT and the way the dogs gait. Would be a good education on CORRECT ANGULATION with correct drive and reach and overall balance for many coonhound exhibitors. We might see winners better suited to HUNT because of their overall structure.
I don't see how decisions coming from the head of UKC would lose customers - it could bring bench shows up to a higher standard and possbily bring in a few of the hunters to bench show competition when they see that straight-shouldered statues aren't the prefered type.

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Hey "Stack"
I believe Wayne and/or Mark would be GREAT judges. Mark's seminars on judging are based on his many years of experience and I believe Wayne has judged at Crufts. They'd take a good, qualified look at MOVEMENT and the way the dogs gait. Would be a good education on CORRECT ANGULATION with correct drive and reach and overall balance for many coonhound exhibitors. We might see winners better suited to HUNT because of their overall structure.
I don't see how decisions coming from the head of UKC would lose customers - it could bring bench shows up to a higher standard and possbily bring in a few of the hunters to bench show competition when they see that straight-shouldered statues aren't the prefered type.

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I would love to see wayne judge! Either way the outcome cant be worse than the judges they had last year!

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Cant they select 3 judges for the final round and each keep a separate card and the dog with the most votes wins, kinda like a MVP ballot for baseball? I'd rather lose with 3 different opinions than 1 persons opinion.

I guess that's why I dont get worked up over shows. I dont get into shows much but I see a lot of "politics" even at the local level.

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I believe the judges will adhere to the breed standard more than ever and there will be a strong emphasis on angles and gait. I may be wrong but that is my opinion. I am very excited to see what will happen. We may see some win that don't usually win....

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Skyblu - at NO TIME have I said that either Wayne nor Mark were UNCAPABLE of being a highly qualified judge! I for one know that both of these men bring a very very long list of not only winning but judging from their previous handling/breeder experiences in the other organization. I've watched both men show and judge. I wish they would do MORE seminars on judging and breeding quality coonhounds. We can ALL learn from their knowledge.

My point being - business! If you are the owner/president of a registration would playing the role of "judge" favor or hurt ? We've become so cut-throat jealous among ourselves who knows what would happen with such a situation. There are several individuals that will remark that neither man actually owns or breeds coonhounds... and would follow by asking what gives either of these men the qualification to judge this historical UKC event!

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My point being - business! If you are the owner/president of a registration would playing the role of "judge" favor or hurt ? We've become so cut-throat jealous among ourselves who knows what would happen with such a situation. There are several individuals that will remark that neither man actually owns or breeds coonhounds... and would follow by asking what gives either of these men the qualification to judge this historical UKC event!

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I believe it's the 2008 March issue of Dog World mag that has the article on Wayne and his dogs.........He states he owns English Coonhounds along with other breeds..........so I reckon seeing as he own coonhounds, owns the Registry, is President of the Registry, long list of achievement of judging and showing different breeds, I think he would be well qualified to be the show judge.

Perhaps some are worried he may choose a dog that is not in the "click" and not devulge in the BS political coonhound show junk.

How wonderful would that be for the 50th AO to have that happen.

I hope Wayne is the Judge of this special 50th event.

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Hey "Stack"
I believe Wayne and/or Mark would be GREAT judges. Mark's seminars on judging are based on his many years of experience and I believe Wayne has judged at Crufts. They'd take a good, qualified look at MOVEMENT and the way the dogs gait. Would be a good education on CORRECT ANGULATION with correct drive and reach and overall balance for many coonhound exhibitors. We might see winners better suited to HUNT because of their overall structure.
I don't see how decisions coming from the head of UKC would lose customers - it could bring bench shows up to a higher standard and possbily bring in a few of the hunters to bench show competition when they see that straight-shouldered statues aren't the prefered type.

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just cant make everyone happy ,one thing for sure there will be a winner

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32 of the 50 autumn oaks, and showing and winning and losing....makes no difference on who the judge is. some folks are happy. some are pissed. some are dsappointed. some are glad. point being...forget about the judges and the other bull that goes at any event and or level....say hi to friends. go out to dinner. have fun and let the wins fall where they will. because there is always next year....

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I agree with Dale and Laura, if you are going to Oaks and going to particpate why does it matter. You are paying your money to get one mans opinion of your dogs, and that is what you will get.
If you are looking for an excuse not show or hunt then stay home.
Don't come just looking for an excuse to complain about something and then start rumors.

I have payed as much in entries at A.O. shows as anyone and , last year is the first year I haven't hunted because of my shoulder. I have won as big a percentage of the classes I have been in as anyone. I have lost as much as anyone also. I have disagreed with the judges a few times but most of the time we need to remember everone likes a different type hound and if that is what they, think they are right.
Who ever U.K.C. gets for judges if you don't want to know what they think of you dogs, DON'T SHOW!!
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hey ever judge likes somewhat a differant dog , if you have a good one enjoy it take your wins and be a good sportsman when you loose . iits all in fun . we just like to know whos judgeing so we can get our dogs in the shape the judge likes for some judges like a heavier dog and some like a slim dog .. hope to see ever one there and yes im going to enjoy it if i show it will probley be a new prospect for my little girl is due in heat last of aug...lets all just go and enjoy the fellowship, with friends for life is very short .

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Thats Right,
I agree Steve, it is the most fun you can have at a hunt or show.
Joan and I like to be there with friends that we enjoy being around. I have got many friends oround the coonhound world and we are pround of them all.
We have traded winning and losing and had a good time for many years, and we hope the Lord blesses us with many more.
We look forward to seeing all of you and having a blessed weekend at A.O.
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