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I have a question. Dog A trails out into a road. Interference is called and the dog is caught. Strike points deleted. Are all the dogs in the cast noe considered to be "interfered with" or does time continue to run. Is dog A then walked a safe distance from the danger( in this case a road) and turned back or should all dogs be caught since interference was called??

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the way i understand it if interfierence is called all dog must be caught and then either go else where or turn back loose but not so close to the road

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The way I understand it is if timeout is called, everyone has an hour to catch dogs and return to a meeting point. That's it. You can't just catch the dog in danger and then call time back in.

Granted, no one wants a dog on a road, but if mine is out struck there ain't no way we're calling timeout so someone can go handle they're dog. Up here, dogs get on roads. That's hunting. Hopefully they are smart enough not to hang around there. I hunted a dog for awhile that loved it find a road and run it to get off by itself. If we called timeout for that we'd never finish a 2 hr hunt.

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Its a cast vote to a the time out.

8. TIME OUTS:

Judge or majority of cast if hunting Judge is used, may call time out in accordance with the following:

(a) When dogs are getting on highway, trail onto posted land or trail into a place where there is danger to dogs or hunters.


Delete points:
(f) When Judge orders dogs to be called off because of live-stock or nearness to highway, building, etc.

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if my dog is on a road and there is traffic, i'm handling my dog wether or not time out is called. if the guys i'm hunting with are more worried about winning the hunt then my dog getting killed, i don't want to hunt with them anyway!!

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I second that, No cast win is worth getting someones dog Killed.

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Most of us would grab our dog without waiting for the cast to vote on calling timeout because a dog could get run over 10 times in the time it takes to vote. But you need to be willing to accept the rules and know that catching that dog before timeout is voted ends your hunt for the night. If we don't follow every rule, why follow any of them?

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In order to call timeout in this instance all cast members have to vote and the majority of the cast will decide weather timeout should be called and if it is called out then you all get 1 hour to catch youre dog and all strike points are deleted.

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I still wonder why if interference and time out are not two different things why are they mentioned seperately.

One dog could be interfered or in danger while other dogs in the cast were not. I would like to here from UKC on this.

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I agree. If my dog is in danger I'm going to catch it understanding that my hunt will be over. I can't expect the rest of the cast to risk having the hour get them or expect them to delete strike pts and miss out on scoring a tree.
I hope no one took my first post otherwise.
Dave, remember the Boone IA sectional? We called timeout quickly and got dogs handled. My dog wasn't on the road and was struck, I was the one concerned with the dogs and suggested we call timeout. Then the hour nearly got me. I wouldn't have handled that any differently, but in slightly different circumstances I may have opposed calling timeout.

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brogy, my post was not directed at yours. but i did have a situation on another hunt that i pulled my dog because i couldn't waite for a idiot to make up his mind and i about got hit by a car trying to handle my dog..i think there needs to be a rule change pertaining to dogs in danger...catch-delete-and release when safe. the hottest i have ever gotten in a cast was over this situation..nobody had ever seen me that pissed before or since..lol

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Todd and I were discussing this very issue several weeks ago. We certainly want to address the issue and come up with something along the lines of being able to simply grab a dog on the road while a car is passing to keep the dog from danger without requiring a time out to be called. Same woudl go for a situation with a dog stuck in a fence etc. etc. You may expect to hear more on this in the near future.

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I didn't think it was Dave, I just wanted to make it clear... I'm not one of those guys that winning is more important than a dogs safety.
But I think we've all had those guys whose dog decides to stand around or hang around the truck, and then when the other dogs get stuck and about get treed, they insist we call timeout so he can catch his dog. Or as soon as they are beat they make something up to call timeout just so the dogs "still in the hunt" might get caught by the hour. The "if I can't win, nobody is gonna win" types.
I wouldn't have a problem with rule change as you suggested but I see that getting abused way too often. If you are honestly concerned with your dog's safety, I'd think most would trade the opportunity for a cast win and just go get the dog.

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Originally posted by Allen / UKC
Todd and I were discussing this very issue several weeks ago. We certainly want to address the issue and come up with something along the lines of being able to simply grab a dog on the road while a car is passing to keep the dog from danger without requiring a time out to be called. Same woudl go for a situation with a dog stuck in a fence etc. etc. You may expect to hear more on this in the near future.

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Not sure about the current situation but if I were near enough to see my dog or your's in the road I would immediatley ask for a time out call. If the rest of the cast would not agree to call time out I would catch my hound and question the scratch offense. Looking at the GPS you can plainly see where the dog was and where the cast was. Upon returning to the MOH I would show him on my GPS where the cast was and where the dog was in the road and what road it was. If it's obvious the cast members would not call time out because their hounds weren't in danger and mine was the only one, I would think this is considered unsportsmanlike conduct and the cast members who opted to not call time out should be dealt with and suspended. This to me is just selfish and ridiculous. We need to promote sportsmanlike conduct and not tolerate anything else. Just my take.

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Commen sense rule applies here , everyone wants to read word for word on back of the card. my god if a dog is on the road and you can get close enough to catch him , and there is timber within walking distance have the handler grab his hound fifty yards and recast his dog what s the big deal remember this is just coon hunting no one wants to see a dog get hit so don't let it happen if the other hounds are in no danger then get the hound that is and recast him ,

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Justin i agree with you to an extent but some dogs just have no business in a hunt. By that i mean you cannot control where a dog decides to run or what it decides to run. And sometimes a dog does run a coon by a road but you cannot penalize the rest of the cast because of one dogs actions weather its running a coon or not. Thats why at any point of a cast you have the option to withdraw. Often in hunts things do not go the way we want them too but that does not give us the right to ruin the hunt for everyone else as well.

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Allen, why not clarify how it should be handled right now instead of telling us what might be in the future? Are we suppose to be anal and follow the rule this weekend or should we use Snowgrens version of common sense and ignore the rule? It makes me no difference, just tell me what UKC expects. Because I have seen more than one cast go down the drain trading someones version of common sense for what is on the back of the card.

Much of this country is like my area, square mile sections and not many gravel roads left. Many casts today park on the edge of the road and release dogs from a few yards of the pavement. Making an automatic timeout or removing the requirement for a cast vote opens a can of worms I think UKC would regret opening. If I think my dog is in danger, I got no problem ending my hunt to handle my dog without asking or voting. I'm not as willing to screwup someone else hunt because my dog didn't stay off the road.

Justin, you are simply making up rules that don't exist. I doubt you will ever see UKC scratch a cast for following the rules that are printed on the back of that card.

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We have always let the handler catch his dog and put him back in the woods.

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Oh bull. I've hunted more than a few casts in Michigan, all over the state. If Michigan was anything like you are always going on about, nobody would hunt up there.

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If you're there to catch your dog and prevent it from being hit, why don't you just flash your light and get the driver's attention to slow down?

90% of the time when my dog gets on a road, its across the section and I have no control over what happens. I've had 1 dog get hit in my life and thats what happened. I was also on a cast with a dog that got hit and thats what happened.

If you really can't stand the risk of a dog getting hit, then you really don't need to be turning a dog loose, at least in my country.

I'm skeptical of a rules change to allow dogs to be handled in this situation, without penalty, but I am open to suggestions...

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Todd and I were discussing this very issue several weeks ago. We certainly want to address the issue and come up with something along the lines of being able to simply grab a dog on the road while a car is passing to keep the dog from danger without requiring a time out to be called. Same woudl go for a situation with a dog stuck in a fence etc. etc. You may expect to hear more on this in the near future.

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Just because you catch your dog during hunt time, your hunt is not over. Ask the judge for permission and "call dog off trail" you only get minus, that is it. Rule 17 allows for this.

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Judges are not to let hunters call dogs off a trail without counting those points minus.

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I have always been quick to withdraw my dog and catch them if I felt the dog was endangered. I have also withdrawn without cutting my dog loose because of potential preceived danger to my dog.

I have always said a $15.00 nite hunt is not worth a dog. One night several years ago the cast got unto private land that set off sirens, flashing lights, and a loud speaker repeating a threatening message. The cast would not vote for time out so I withdrew and went to catch my dog.

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Around here we call time out if the dogs as a group are getting on a road but if it's only one dog we usually just grab it and send it back in. If nothing is coming down the road the dog is not handled.

John D, around here if you try to slow traffic down they speed up more often than not. The deer and bear hunters usually slow down.

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