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I've been reading all the posts lately about babblers. I've seen a few. Most are the same breed.
I'm wondering if it's genetic or a learned trait?
Is there one breed that seems more prevalent to be a babbler.
I'm not looking to bash any certain breed or breeder.
I'm just curious. I personally would cull if I had one. JMO
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I think it's two things. 1 some of it can be bred in a dog. 2 Hunting dogs to young with other dogs they can't keep up with.

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I don't know if it is genetic or not but you'll never make me believe it is breed specific.
It prolly starts out as simple puppy exuberance along with getting left behind when they are too small to keep up. I have never seen a pup babble when turned alone. It is fairly easy to fix but with todays rules such as the are, the bigger question is why would you fix it and why aren't there more of them?

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It is fairly easy to fix but with todays rules such as the are, the bigger question is why would you fix it and why aren't there more of them?

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I dont know about genetics or breed specific. I would say no to either.


I do know you can make a dog a constant babbler by using an old dog to rig hunt and only putting that pup on red hot tracks that are five feet from the road all the time. Dont do this.

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Babbling is certainly genetic trait. One can slow it down with the proper handling. Starting a pup too young that can't keep up promotes babbling.

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From my experience it seems gentetic, everyone that we had that babbled all go back to same breeding. Also seen a dog babble the odd time if they get behind and can't keep up.

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I'd have to say it's genetic, had a girlfriend that babbled her mom was the same way. I hate a babbler, got rid of her.

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I'd have to say it's genetic, had a girlfriend that babbled her mom was the same way. I hate a babbler, got rid of her.

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I don't know about genetic. But all you have too do is bump them with the Tri-Tronics a few times at an early age and yell HUSH. Took me about 7-8 times and he might try to Whine if he's in a pack of dogs when cut loose. But all I have too say is HUSH...
I think the fear of being left behind plays the biggest role !!!!

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I think the fear of being left behind plays the biggest role !!!!

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What gets me is pulling up to a gas station to meet folks to hunt with, and one of them has a dog in the box barking, barking driving down the road, barking leading into woods, and etc... never stop barking dogs........that some genetics I sure don't want LOL.

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Genetic? I doubt it.... Don't have any real "proof", and don't have a research budget to prove it....

Genetics are things that can not be "controlled". You can't decide if your eyes are going to be blue or brown. You don't have "control" over it. Yet we all know how to silence a babbler. We all agree that it's easy to "fix".

My take on it is that it is a conditioned response. We start hunting six moth old puppies with our "big dogs" that'll "throw dirt in your face" when you turn em loose. Pretty soon, that puppy is barking behind the other dogs....both in excitement, and in an attempt to "keep up"...shoot our "big dog" is probably barking and babbling while he's throwin dirt as well.

Now the puppy is 10 months old and ready to hunt by himself....he's wired to the max, cause we want him to get "deep and lonely". By now, we've hunted him several times, and each time he's left us barking...you turn him loose by himself....you think he's gonna do anything different? NOPE. He leaves barking.

We put him in his first hunt, and we strike him as soon as he hits the timber....we are now carrying first strike.....and we have eight minutes for another dog to strike "honest" after our puppy quits barking. Did genetics cause this? I doubt it.

I had a young dog that got bad about this very thing. I fixed it....well "almost". He will still leave my feet and bark 3 times....yup count em...3 times. You know why three? Cause that's how long it took me to mash that button...every time he did it. On the fourth bark, he was corrected. Now he barks three times with the expectation that something bad will happen on the fourth one. Genetics...I doubt it.

I can make arguments both ways.....Seems that we have a trend towards breeding to "winners", and not necessarily the type of dog that we want to have. As long as they are "winners" that's what we breed to.

Well if I told you in a big part of this country, a dog that gets his mouth open quick...regardless of why...and carries that first strike by barking once every 8 minutes or so...until a dog actually locates a coon, and rushes over and participates in that coon chase...will win in most of the country...is that what you really want? A dog that will get struck on a possum, armadillo, deer, or a June Bug...will keep that strike open as it hunts for a coon. Falls off the deer race gets treed, and has a coon will beat most any honest dog in that part of the country.

I won't go so far as to blame it on genetics, but I will instead blame it on "breeding to win", and on our "training to win" mentality.

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[B.I won't go so far as to blame it on genetics, but I will instead blame it on "breeding to win", and on our "training to win" mentality. [/B]

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Well put Joe.
The reason I posted this was to get a feel of how others thought babblers are produced. The breed I see it in here most is out of the same line breed. When I'm at a comp. hunt and see that breed in my cast I ask about the breeding. Soon has I hear the name it's a given it's going to be a babbler.
So I started wondering is it genetic or a learned trait.
You figure most buy pups at 8-12 weeks old. So you'd think it would eliminate the learned trait.
But like you said. They run them with the big dogs ( I'm guilty of this) and they can't keep up. So they babble because they can't keep up. But yet I don't have a babbler.
So it brings me full circle, back to genetics.
I do see other's once in awhile. But like your's they stop pretty quick and don't go Babbling thru the county side.
I do appreciate you comp. hunters who take the time to correct it. That's just good honest sportsmanship..

Jay,
Your wife married a babbler. How you been?

Scott

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babbler???? more like a slick tree'r lol not bad Scott how bout you? got all your hounds now? if so like to see some pic's of them.

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