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I don't hunt alot of UKC hunt mostly the other 1 but my ? is there a rule that prohibits what I call PIGGY BACKING when you tree and your's is the only one obvioussly treed and someone whos hound may be in the area "close" but not treed and I mean as soon as you tree they are right on your heels treeing there dog, that really gags my soul and it should anyone and noone other than me say's something about it its always well he's close or aww I can't really tell ....yada yada yada.....bull@*#)!
How do ya'll handle this???.....Thats a sorry excuse for dog and handleing and if I gotta me 2 to win then you can just keep it!....JMO

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if im judging i dont let people pitch their dog.

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Well I wasnt judging, but I was saying something and that's what I was saying, the rest of the cast was full of excuses and yada yada yada you know!......It was barking in the area and after hearing it tree and come on to a tree it wasnt even treeing then you know!...just really ranting!

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Just set around and cry about it, Maybe the fact that you have first tree,da awww ummmm mm oohjhh Tree My dog first tree, after that what makes the difference.

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COALMINER.....they do it because judges allow them to do it.

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If I was the judge and Dog#1 is treeing and dog #2 is trailing.When the handler for dog#2 siad to tree his dog knowing it was not his hound.I would have given him a warning for PITCHING on the wrong hound, and would have said the next time you PITCH on the wrong dog you are scratched no ???? asked...

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matlock, where did you find this in the rulebook?????
Tell me where I can find a warning for pitching mentioned in the rulebook. Where is the scratched for pitching rule?

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JIM, THE JUDGE DOES HAS THE RIGHT TO REFUSE THE CALL IS THAT CORRECT..

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yeah ive also been on cast where the judge wouldnt let me call my dog and minused me for trying. cheaters use a variety of tricks to get a cast win its a tough game for sure.

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I wasnt crying bud!.....And I was just curiouss about what the ruling was on it!.....I knowed JIM would way in on it, and he does seem to know the rules very well.....

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If I understand Coalminer correctly, he is talking about the situation where dog A is called treed and the handler of dogB just automaticly trees dog B knowing he will be there when the cast arrives at the tree. You see this way too much in the hunts. A good judge would 1) minus dog B for violateing rule #1 (dogs must open before declared struck or treed), 2) minus dog B for calling the wrong dog(treeing off dog A), or3) minus dog B for moving if dog B was not at the tree when called treed. Any of these calls made by the judge will raise a rucus from handler B which is exactly why most judges don't make the call. But the rules are there for the strong judge that is capable and willing to make the call.

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Thank you very much!......No need for any other post's as far as i'm concerned you just answered my ?....THANKS

By the way this is exactly what was happening or happened twice....And my gripe was i was the only one saying anything and getting no backing because the dog was barking in the area but clearly ...CLEARLY wasnt on that tree!.......

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I sure would like to go along as a spectator on a cast with JiM as the judge. Just to watch and learn. Thing is, usually when folks on a cast get with a judge that goes by the rules and they know that judge's track record, you aint going to see a whole lot of fussing. Still I would like to tag along just in case there was some pitching or attempted cheating or rule twisting and watch JiM work.

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Jim,I was wrong about the warning but on page 55 of the rule book 2009/2010 in sec#6 DOGS WILL BE SCRATCHED: section F it states and I quote"On the second offence if handler calls another handler's dog."Sorry about giving a warning you do minus the dog instead.You were right about that.

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You wouldn't see much Coon Commander. My hearing is so impaired that I don't even handle my own dog much anymore, let alone judge a cast.

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I wasn't trying to be a jerk, and I am fairly new to Night Hunts but the bottom Line is call your dog three words (CALL YOUR DOG)I dont care if I win I really dont but I'll get mine Why because I don't care what anybody else does or says, I know my dog and I learn about him more and more all the time, Last night pleasure hunting with a buddy dogs strike off the edge of a corn field take track back into the woods 100 yds in," Dogs are back tracking" How can you tell ?I was asked Its just not right, 2 minutes later razor just out of the blue locates and starts treeing 30 yrds from us buddies dog still fairly deep picking,I've only hunted a few hunts in a couple of kcs , I've already had guys tell me I'm calling there dog,my dog is treed (when hes not) and your not going to find a coon in there "why" because my dog came back.it was my dog that left o well I take my minus's But my plus's are true blue honest I called my dog and I called it right,

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