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With regards to the new rule 4 (k) - What happens on a 2 dog cast, if dog A is struck and treed and the 5 min. is up and then before u start to dog A, u hear dog B treed in the same location of dog A. BUT the handler for dog B does not call his dog treed, only struck......and it will only take 3 min to walk to the tree. What will happen to dog B and he is at the same tree as dog A?

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Strike Points deleted no matter what and nothing on tree i do believe

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His strike points are deleted.

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Their answers are correct. However I have to question why the 5 minutes are up and you still haven't started towards the tree? Why are you still 3 minutes away? Unless the rule changed and I wasn't made aware of it, you are supposed to be at the tree when the 5 expires, if at all possible.

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where this boy hunts you wont ever be at a tree in 5 mins trust me

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Thanks Jason

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OK whatever!
In other words you only follow rules that are convenient for you to follow. Read the post! The five was up and they haven't even started towards the tree. I live and hunt central Florida I know all about rough hunting. Lets not beat that dead horse any more.

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IN rule 17. it states that a dog should hold a tree for 5 min and since the other dog is not treed u should NOT be at the tree right when time is up.....u should wait the 5 min a dog should hold the tree at a location that is less than 5 min. away from the tree. Since the tree was only 3 min. away.... the hunter did the right thing by not going on up there to the tree.

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I live in the mountains and Jason is talking about the "goat country".......steep mountains sides u have to walk to get to the dogs

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Son I think you need to reread the rule. It says "Judge is not to let anyone go to the tree and start shining in LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES! It goes on to say "If at all possible possible, be at the tree within five(5) minutes". Don't try to half ass quote me rules. I know them as wel as anyone and better then most! You should reread and try to understand what you read.

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no clay in other words the dogs usually dont tree close enough to walk to them in 5 mins im not trying to cause any trouble or make it look like we dont follow rules i have had the pleasure of hunting with john several times it just 90% of the time takes longer than 5 mins to make it to the trees

John i have almos got another nite ch my 13 month old has a 1st and 2nd on her got the 2nd at murphy sat

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well clay.....If you have the same rule book as me....it does say to be at the tree within 5 min.....the only thing is that u don't see is those 5 min are not the same as the 5 min the dog has to hold the tree.....Also there is another dog still hunting and not treed (for 5 min dog A trees by himself)....Nobody goes 300 yards to a dog that is Treed till the 5 mins is up on the tree.

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Good job jason!!! You win at my spots when I am not around.....haha...... I had finals this week at school and i could not make it in for the hunt......I heard from my buddys though that yall did not have a the best of nights....Garin told me that he did not get in bed till 5 in the morning because of that hunt off......That makes for a lonnnnng night

Congts on your win!!!

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If he is at the tree when u get there and the tree is minus, dog B would get 75- on the tree, even though he is not treed in. He would have no strike if he was shutout but if he was struck before dog A treed he would be minus both ways

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sandman the dog was shutout therefore his strike would only count on a seperate tree

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You boys keep doing it "your" way. Maybe one day you will get LUCKY enough to draw a veteran like me and I WILL GIVE YOU AN EDUCATION!
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clay i will drop with you a hundred a drop any where in the country you want to i know the rules and i pack a hound just look at the leading handler list in the prohound you will see my name number 1 Jason Harper Blairsville ga

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You boys keep doing it "your" way. Maybe one day you will get LUCKY enough to draw a veteran like me and I WILL GIVE YOU AN EDUCATION!
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*17. GENERAL INFORMATION:

When a dog is declared treed, Judge is not to let anyone go to the tree and start shining in less than five minutes, unless all dogs have been declared treed. This is a courtesy to other handlers and also to see that a dog will hold his tree. If at all possible, be at the tree within five (5) minutes. If handlers are so far from tree that it will take more than five minutes to get to tree, they are to start walking toward tree, but stopping all along to let other handlers see if their dog is treeing. Judge is not to let any
handler keep holding him away from tree just to let dog get to tree after five minutes are up. Dog must hold the tree for five minutes, unless all dogs in cast are declared treed. If one dog in cast, or one dog remaining in cast, dog must hold tree for five minutes. Dogs declared treed within hunting time, are eligible for scoring. When hunting time is up, cast can go directly to tree. Dogs at tree must be leashed. Judges are not to let hunters call dogs off a trail without counting those points minus. No encouragement or discouragement of any kind to dogs. Dog should not be minused tree points if he comes back a short distance to meet handler if dog goes back in and trees satisfactorily. Judge should be informed of such peculiarities before hunt. *No squalling nor any action deemed to be interfering with dog(s) to be done during the first seven minutes of shining time unless all dogs declared struck are at tree and leashed. Individual holding first tree controls shining of tree for first two minutes. *No scoring aids to be used other than light or mechanical squallers. Two spectators per handler will be allowed on all casts. Spectators may not shine tree. Handler’s dog(s) will be scratched for rule violations by their spectators. ALL HUNTERS, JUDGES, AND/OR GUIDES MUST BE DRAWN PUBLICLY FOR THEIR CAST. Owners having multiple entries will have dogs drawn to separate casts if possible.

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I'd love to draw you a few times. Your short fuse and temper would bring me laughter all night. You won't walk to any tree my dog isn't on untell your 5 is up, cause every step you take I'll be that dude in the back yelling, "hey judge could you stop for I can listen for my dog in there". When your 5 is up we can run to your tree, untell then, we'll give mine more time to get split somewhere deep. I know the game very well also.

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Clay what have you won this is a list of what i have won and im only 22.
1 2008 fall baby stakes champ
2 2008 pkc ga state reserve champion
3 2008 il state final 4
4 2007 5th il state race
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and too many open events and ukc hunts to list

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You boys keep doing it "your" way. Maybe one day you will get LUCKY enough to draw a veteran like me and I WILL GIVE YOU AN EDUCATION!
NUFF SAID!!!!

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Clay what have you won this is a list of what i have won and im only 22.
1 2008 fall baby stakes champ
2 2008 pkc ga state reserve champion
3 2008 il state final 4
4 2007 5th il state race
5 2007 top 16 ga state race
and too many open events and ukc hunts to list

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I thought a big ugly frizzy headed boy won the baby stakes!! Aint your last name Faulkner??

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*17. GENERAL INFORMATION:

When a dog is declared treed, Judge is not to let anyone go to the tree and start shining in less than five minutes, unless all dogs have been declared treed. This is a courtesy to other handlers and also to see that a dog will hold his tree. If at all possible, be at the tree within five (5) minutes. If handlers are so far from tree that it will take more than five minutes to get to tree, they are to start walking toward tree, but stopping all along to let other handlers see if their dog is treeing. Judge is not to let any
handler keep holding him away from tree just to let dog get to tree after five minutes are up.

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i hear ya fultz i may be a big ugly frizzy headed boy But im not a Faulkner just a part time resident at the faulkner house

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