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Tree Dog Man
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Tracking collars or Garmin Astro

There has been a lot of talk about the new Garmin. A lot of this talk is from people who are selling them. I have had a two dog one since August and I am glad I kept my tracking system.

I have broke both Garmin antennas and had to send them back and get new ones. Broke one of those already. If you don't have a counter weight on the collar they will turn to the side of the dogs neck and they will not have good range. If you use a counterweight or switch dogs you have to get the collar balanced exactly right or it will turn sideways. The BEST range I have ever got was 4 1/2 miles. The handheld unit also uses a set of batteries about every 8 hours or so!

I have always used a tracking collar as a backup with the Garmin and it has saved my bacon a couple of times. Once on a lost dog and once when the collar broke.

I know new toys are cool but tracking collars have stood the test of time for 30 plus years thru every rough condition and for the most part keep on working. Don't sell yours yet if you get a Garmin.

I have switched to Marshall lighted collar cause the lights help cars see your dogs at night and it uses AA batteries and has the longest range of any collars.

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I haven't heard of anybody, or at least not very many people, who use, or expected to use, the Garmin system as a full replacement to a conventional tracking unit.

I run both, they compliment each other well.

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Redgy Ramsey
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I AGREE WITH ALOT OF WHAT YOU SAY!! I DON'T BELIEVE YOU WILL GET 4 1/2 MILES VERY OFTEN!

I USE A TRACKER 5000 MAXIMA COMLETE WITH A MARSHALL COLLAR!!

SHANE USES A GARMIN AND SAID HE WOULD NEVER USE A OLD STYLE TRACKING COLLAR AGAIN, AFTER ABOUT 2 MONTHS NOW HE IS USING A MARSAHLL COLLAR FOR HIS COUNTER WEIGHT! ( I THINK IT IS HIS BACK UP. LOL)

CHAD USES A GARMIN AND HAS ALWAYS HAD A MARSHALL COLLAR AS HIS COUNTER WEIGHT! UNTIL THEY BUILD A NEW COLLAR HE ALWAYS WILL!!

ROOSTER USES A TRACKER AND MARSHALL COLLARS. HE IS KIND OF OLD SCHOOL LIKE ME!

JEFF USES A GARMIN WITH NOTHING ELSE, SAYS HE WILL NEVER USE AN OLD STYLE TRACKING SYSTEM AGAIN! ONLY A GPS STYLE!!

ALL OF THESE GUYS ARE PART OF THE VALLEY CREEK TEAM!!!!

P.S. GARMIN DOES NEED TO BUILD A BETTER COLLAR, AND A MORE USER FRIENDLY COLLAR WITHOUT ALL THE COUNTER WEIGHT STUFF!!!

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I haven't heard of anybody, or at least not very many people, who use, or expected to use, the Garmin system as a full replacement to a conventional tracking unit.

I run both, they compliment each other well.



Thats how I see it, too. There will be problems and drawbacks with the Garmin but the info. thats available is something we've never seen before.

Before I bought mine, I'd decided I was going to use my wildlife collar, at the same time. I've been playing with mounting the Garmin on the same collar as the wildlife. I weighed both the wildlife unit (without the collar) and the Garmin and they were almost the same weight. That tells me they are balanced and the Garmin is as likely to be on the bottom of the dog's neck as the Wildlife. Thats exactly what I saw in the woods.

So, I've been experimenting with counterweights. I cut a piece of steel that weighs about half of the Wildlife and taped it to the Wildlife unit. That helped but I've noticed the Garmin still wants to ride to the side just alittle. I'm going to increase the weight in very small amounts until I get it balanced right. Obviously I don't want to use any more weight than necessary since thats just something else the dog has to carry around. When I figure out the right amount of weight, I might come up with something that sort of encases the wildlife to make it less likely to hang up and a little neater.

I've also bought some rechargeable AA batteries and my plan is to stick 2-4 extra batteries in my pocket when I go hunting. One more th ing to carry, but I'm packing a cell phone, extra keys, etc. anyway.

The amount of information available from this is awesome. I've got a couple females here I raised from pups and hunted all their lives. There are things I know about how they hunt and things I suspect about them. Last night, I turned each one loose by herself. The one I've thought didn't fire in there and hunt like I'd like, and maybe was a little lazy, was hunting HARD. She doesn't run field edges and roads to get deep like some dogs. She was working the timber right in front of me and she was zigging and zagging and covering the country, but not in a straight line. She got treed in the center of some loops she'd made, without opening on the ground. It looked like she was circling and circling to home in on a coon. The Garmin showed all that to me and I never suspected she was working that hard. She's always been good about treeing a coon close and not going past coons and I can see why.

The other female I'd always figured was a more straight line hunter, prone to taking the easier path, deeper. I cut her up a ATV path in some oak timber thinking she'd be likely to run that path. The Garmin did show she covered ground, fast and pretty much in a line. But, she did not follow the ATV path, she followed a small feeder ditch and got treed at the head of it.

Another thing I like is that when a dog locates and trees, you can see what they're doing. Both these females got to the tree and any excursions after that seemed to be limited to around the base of the tree. If they had been off more than a few feet, it would have been obvious.

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They are going to have to find a better way to power the system. The reason for the lack of range is the lack of power. the signal the garmin sends and the one your tracker sends are about the same. The difference is the garmin has to modulate an intelligence on to that signal and this takes power so it cant send the signal as far.

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I just went hunting with a guy that has the new garmin. I wasn't that impressed with it. when we got into some valleys and such he wound lose his satelite link and we would have to find high ground for him to get it back. I ask him how good it worked in the summer when all the leaves were on he said he had the same problem. That he have to step out in the clearing to get a fix. I guess i'll just stick with my trx10s and wait until they fine tone there problems .

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I just went hunting with a guy that has the new garmin. I wasn't that impressed with it. when we got into some valleys and such he wound lose his satelite link and we would have to find high ground for him to get it back. I ask him how good it worked in the summer when all the leaves were on he said he had the same problem. That he have to step out in the clearing to get a fix. I guess i'll just stick with my trx10s and wait until they fine tone there problems .



He should send it in and have it fixed. Mine will pick up as soon as I turn it on in the house and I know my roof is thicker than a canopy. I hunt in thick pine so the leaves never fall off I have no problem with mine.

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I've never had a problem with the handheld losing GPS reception. I can be in my basement, half underground and under the house and still get GPS signals, quick.

But I have gotten a few messages on the handheld that something was lost. I'm not sure if its the reception between the collar and the handheld, or the satellites and the dog collar. It seems to have happened when I put the handheld in my bib pocket and I also wonder if the collar has slipped around on the dog's neck.

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It is the Rf signal from the dc 20 to the astro that is being lost.

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Garmin System

I have been using the Garmin system now for a while and I am really liking the results. We have used it in heavy cover, hilly areas with valleys that are 150-200 ft deep and in rolling hills that cover about 150 ft elevation changes. The other night I ran one of our dogs with it and the track she made is attached in the picture. The landmarks on it are waypoints that I put in for various stands and other area features on our place, the colored line shows the path the dog took and you can see on the google map that there are valleys and then thick planted (not yet thinned pines) When I saw this dog was getting to the road I went and cut her off and gathered her up before a car came along. I dont believe any other system can give me that kind of accuracy. The system has dropped signal but never for more than a few seconds and it comes right back, it is designed to be held flat and putting it in your pocket could cause more signal loss if it is upright. I am using the stubby arials and have not had any issue with them breaking, turning on the dogs neck, or losing signal. It alo shows me when she is moving, the speed, and when she is treed or even jst standing up tapping trees. We were hunting a few weeks back in a very rough area and two of my dogs got treed, looking at the map it showed on screen that they were close to a road, rather than walk through 1.5 miles of mess and swamp we drove around, got within 300 ft of them and then walked directly to where they were treed. I have run the collars and the tracker multiple nights without charging or replacing batteries in the GPS. Couple hints to make battery life better (1) run the background light on low (2) use good long life batteries, read the battery data on the side and buy the ones that have 2400 or better rating. I also carry a spare set in my pocket for the GPS but have never had to change them on a hunt.

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I was thinking the other night and I'm sure that if you could tune a regular tracker to the signal that the dc20 is using then you could pick it up with your receiver. I don't see a need for it but it might make some feel better about it.

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But it would probably sound like static...

Cara, are you using the free version of Google Earth? The reason I ask is because my Google Earth images don't look near as complete as yours.

Here's one of mine. I don't like all the dots and the white line sucks. I marked where I turned the dog loose and where a tree was made and it shows up in Mapsource, but not in Google Earth. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong?

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It would still be a beep John. The transmitter on the tracking collars are just sending out an AM signal not a pulse the receiver just uses the pulse beep instead of a constant noise.

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Me and my wife just got back from hunting and this is the track that Betty run. This is cool!!!

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Anybody think 20 years ago a coonhunter would be looking at something like this. I didn't.

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Man, its like Star Trek to me!! Wonder where we'll be in 10 more years............

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Man, its like Star Trek to me!! Wonder where we'll be in 10 more years............


probably will not be anymore coon hunting in 10 years

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Sadly, you are probably right.............

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I am not sure how much weight you need to counter balance the DC 20 transmitter but was wondering if anyone has tried a shocking unit.

Keep hearing through the grape vine of improvements or new items for next year. Anyone heard anything? Guess the Astro 220 has been out about a year now and reading what everyone has to say is great. Keep the information good and bad flowing.

I see they recommend a short antenna for thick conditions. Anyone use one of these and how much does it effect the range?
Also curious about the antenna for the roof of the truck? How much does this add to range?

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Bruce,

I'm using a Tri-tronics for my counter balance, and it works well. I've not charged the darn thing in over a year, so I figured what the heck...it's an expensive counter balance, but it works.....

I'm using the stubby antenna on mine, and it's rugged as all get out. I learned after the first antenna, that most of the time my antenna was getting damaged in the dog box, not in the woods....start taking the collar off in the dog box, and you'll get along better.

I lose a little signal with the stubby antenna, but not enough to notice. The claim is that you will get about 50% more range with the truck mounted antenna, so for $40.00...you are way better off!

This thing is a tool....if all you are looking for is to find you dog when it's lost....then stick with you regular tracker....you would be throwing good money after bad. But if you are interested in learning more about how your dog hunts, when it's hunting and when it's loafing...how it covers ground...then this is the ONLY system for that use.

I've just about stopped using the regular tracker, just find I don't need it....I'll always have a telemetry collar on the dog "just in case"....but this tool is cool!

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