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Jamie Coolidge
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Allen or Todd....How do you score a 2-2 vote?

The card says score as the judge scored it and take it to the MOH. Some Master of hounds say that the judge is the tie breaker and others say that you either circle or delete the points.

So what is the proper procedure?

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2-2 vote on scoring a tree CIRCLE EVERY TIME

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Jamie Coolidge
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This wasn't a tree scoring vote

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The scorecard refers to three situations that are majority of cast decisions right up front. 1) plussing or minusing a tree 2) calling time out 3) returning to a previously scored tree w/o treeing dogs. In those situations you must have a majority. There is no tie breaker when it comes to a tie vote. You simply can't plus the tree, call time out, etc. without a majority of cast vote.

In all other judging situations, it's the judge's decision. If someone questions the judge, it takes a majority of cast decision to overturn the judge's call in the field. In your example, if you do not have a majority (two, two vote) then the judge's decision stands. Score with a question mark and take to the MOH. The MOH should hear the question and make a ruling either way based on what they feel is correct.

So there really is no black and white "tie breaker".

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Here is the sistutation. Walking to a tree it becomes clear the dogs are split but no one declares them split. The judge and I go to my dog and just prior to arriving one of the two dogs that were split starts treeing on my tree. Judge minuses the dog and it is put to a vote. 2-2 The MOH circles it and it cost me the cast.

Should the dog have been minused?

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Here is the sistutation. Walking to a tree it becomes clear the dogs are split but no one declares them split. The judge and I go to my dog and just prior to arriving one of the two dogs that were split starts treeing on my tree. Judge minuses the dog and it is put to a vote. 2-2 The MOH circles it and it cost me the cast.

Should the dog have been minused?



Yes...

Dont let this bother you, learn from it and move on.

Just about every cast has at least one situation that was scored incorrectly.

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quote:
Originally posted by Jamie Coolidge
Here is the sistutation. Walking to a tree it becomes clear the dogs are split but no one declares them split. The judge and I go to my dog and just prior to arriving one of the two dogs that were split starts treeing on my tree. Judge minuses the dog and it is put to a vote. 2-2 The MOH circles it and it cost me the cast.

Should the dog have been minused?



if the other two were not going to your tree with you then how can they even know what they are voting on.. it is the judges job to declare a split in the first place... if a dog leaves on tree and goes to another then he gets minus.. was a coon seen in your tree? still alot of questions to answer

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