Registered: Feb 2006
Location: Southeast Arkansas
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Why is it that someone would want to take a young bitch ,say one to two years old , have her bred , hounds that haven't been hunted enough to know if they are gonna make a COONDOG ?

I just finished reading an add on a 2 yr old gyp for sale that done good with a litter of pups , but isn't a finished hound yet . Just curious what fellow hunters think about this .

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Mike, You're right, this is DANGEROUS business in most cases, BUT if a breeder has extensive knowledge of the lineage of hounds involved he/she will be able to recognize inherented traits/talents at a much earlier age and have a more EDUCATED expectation of results. My very best litter came from a 14 mo. old male.

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I would normally agree with you, I don't think dogs should be bred at an early age (before 2). It isn't possible to tell what the dog is going to become, and with as many pups as there are out there I don't see adding to it. And with females breeding to soon leads to serious health problems and complications.
We did however breed a young (2 yr. old) CH female of ours this summer. I like her bloodlines, they are my favorite I've found so far. The male had similar bloodlines and is just a wonderful dog- even tempered, level headed, smart, nicely built, and decent in the woods (I say decent because he is afraid of water, won't go near it on a hunt!). We were looking for some young show dogs for this season and decided to breed these two and make our own.

This is my reasoning:
1. A litter of pups give me a much better chance of getting the dog I want rather then picking one from another persons litter. I can watch them grow, bond with the dog, and fully understand their personality and characteristics before making a decision.
2. Bloodlines. I wanted more of this line, we already had it sitting here so it made since to breed our own and not pay someone else for what we already had.
3. This litter produced AKC, UKC, DNA-VIP, Performance Program pups... not plain ol' UKC reg. bred behind the barn tied to a junk car dogs.
4. We also own the male and he was newly enrolled in Performance Program with no other pups so far. Wanted a litter to prove his ability.

Very pleased with the results from this litter, and so are the others who ended up with one from it! No regrets here.

BUT, I would not market for sale a 2 yr. old dog for breeding purposes if it hadn't done anything yet to prove itself. JMO.

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I once bred a male of mine that Was just an outstanding 1 year old hound He was a Grand Champion on the bench and was a coon treeing machine. I didn't hunt him in the hunts early because I didn't want to take a chance on getting him with a mean dog or junk runners.
I bred him early to see if he would reproduce because I wanted to stud him out and use him for my own personal stud. No other way to find out than just experiment.
I've also bred a young female around 18 months old and I did that for a couple of reasons, 1. she had all the tools I look for in a female and the stud I wanted to breed to was getting very old and I wanted a pup from him before he died and he could have gone at any time.

If you are wanting a pup from your own bloodlines and don't want to buy a pup from an ad or the internet because you don't know anything about the mom or dad other than what the ads say and we all know you can't trust 90% of the crap that is written about most dogs in a stud ad or pup for sale ad then sometimes doing the early breeding might be the way to go.

Just be a responsible breeder. I wouldn't begrudge anyone if they want to do it. I would be leary buying one unless I knew the parents and everything about them.

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Originally posted by Mike Kelley
Why is it that someone would want to take a young bitch ,say one to two years old , have her bred , hounds that haven't been hunted enough to know if they are gonna make a COONDOG ?

I just finished reading an add on a 2 yr old gyp for sale that done good with a litter of pups , but isn't a finished hound yet . Just curious what fellow hunters think about this .

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i also have some insight. I am by no means defending the folks who are breeding their young hounds before they make coondogs. On the other hand, I have a question every conversation you get into about breeding, it usually comes up that "well no matter how much that dog wins it doesn't mean he/she will reproduce worth a ...." so its my question if I take a set of littermates and one female wins everything and her littermate sister isn't started yet and cant run the neighbors cat, is there any reason that the first sister will reproduce better than the second sister? Also a dogs genes' (chromosomes and actual DNA) doesn't change if she trees coons or not she still carries the same DNA regardless if she is a potlicker or a world beater right???? So I have often wondered why people never looked at both sides of the story when talking about if ol roy will reproduce even though he wins all the hunts and that doesn't necessarily mean he will throw winning pups why dont they look at roy's brother who aint won nothing and grandpa jones owns him and he aint never been in a hunt? Just food for thought and no I don't breed "unworthy" bitches just to breed but these kind of thoughts have often ran through my head. What do you guys think

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Take one gr sh ch male b&t very weak on tree / strong on deer and one reg b&t squirrel dog = one very strong female coon dog. w/ looks to spare. Go figure!!! LOL

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Again; gotta know the history of the lineage/performance and reproductive history of the ancestry.This means EXTENSIVELY i.e. entire litters of the previous breedings.

This is my definition of a "responsible breeder". Not many around that fit this criteria.

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It burns me everytime I see an ad like that, we've upset
a few people who's females we refused to breed. Problem is
they just go breed to another male.

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Most people talk a good game about breeding coondog to coondog......Most of us can also look at a 3 generation pedigree and see a brood bitch here or there.

Most dogs shouldent be bred, a fact most of us have, and will continue to ignore.

People will justfy almost anything when it comes to their dogs.


I could'nt care less what others want to breed. Makes little difference to me.

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YOU ALL ARE GETTING UPSET OVER A PRACTICE THAT ALL THE WELL KNOWN BREEDERS HAVE DONE. NOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN GET THEM TO ADMIT IT IS ANOTHER THING.

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