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Would like to see how many would vote for this.

I WOULD! What about you? Have something interesting for you later in the thread. VOTE and then scroll through the thread to see how your Senator Voted on a matter pertaining to this issue. If your Senator does not vote how you feel, then you need to make sure YOU get out and vote when your chance comes.

Constitutional Amendment - Marriage Protection Amendment - Declares that: (1) marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman; and (2) neither the U.S. Constitution nor the constitution of any state shall be construed to require that marriage or the legal incidents of marriage be conferred upon any other union.

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I am for it. I say why break up a bunch of happy q----s.

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Voting yes means you are against gays and same sex marriages.

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Marriage Protection Act : I would think that if we want to protect marriage, we should deal with infidelity, spousal abuse, and our 50%+ divorce rate.

Marriage Discrimination Act : Here's where we would deal with same sex marriage, inter-racial marriage, inter-religion marriage, stupid people marrying, predjudice people marrying, ugly people marrying, fat people marrying, etc. YOU CHOOSE WHO YOU WANT TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST!!! I'm not serious about this. I don't believe in discrimination based on race, religion, sexual orientation, looks, body type, intelligence, etc.

I think a committed gay couple better represents the SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE than an infidel, abuser, or divorcee (exempting divorcees that are innocent victims of infidelity or spousal abuse).

I really don't care if someone is hetero or homo, except my wife. I certainly prefer that my baby girl turns out to be hetero, but I will love her no matter what!!! (She's only 16 mos., but I'm her dad for life!!!).

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I think a committed gay couple better represents the SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE.

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Looks like 1 out of 4 are for same sex marriages. Really thought more would support an ammendment to stop this kind of thing.

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I'm not for gay marriage, but I don't think we need a constitutional ammendment to prohibit it.

Nearly every state in the Union has laws dissalowing it....

If they all want to move to California to get married....Okay by me!

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I'm not for gay marriage, but I don't think we need a constitutional ammendment to prohibit it.

Nearly every state in the Union has laws dissalowing it....

If they all want to move to California to get married....Okay by me!

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I agree with Oak Ridge, it is a matter best handled by states, not by the feds.
We are at a standstill in Iraq, the mid-east is about to explode into world war, the North Koreans are firing long range ballistic missles, gas is $3.12 a gallon, and Bush has Congress tied up over gay marriage. Give me one good reason why I should give a crap who marries who.

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Jim,
Looks like you might have voted against it and that is fine, but
the President does not control Congress or OPEC or the weather like many believe.

The poll was posted to see how many were in favor of the ammendment. It looks like about 75% are for it. It will be interesting to see how many Senators, of the people for it, are representing them with their vote.

ONE good reason and the only one I need is... THE BIBLE says it is WRONG!

Have a good day.

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Reps legislating by what the Bible says.........I guess that's ok as long as they use the right Bible. I have no experience with goverment run by clerics or religious rule but from what I can gather, it ain't too kool.

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Jim,
You asked for one good reason YOU should give a crap and I gave you the only one I need. If you want to use the quran as your Bible, have at it. As far as the Reps legislating by what the Bible says, maybe they should use it more. Here is something to think about........

SUPREME COURT WRONG??
The Fifty States..


Somewhere along the way, the Federal Courts and the Supreme Court have misinterpreted the US Constitution. How could all fifty States be wrong?


THIS IS VERY INTERESTING!Be sure to read the last two paragraphs.


America's founders did not intend for there to be a separation of God and state, as shown by the fact that all 50 states acknowledge God in their state constitutions:


Alabama1901, Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama, invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution.

Alaska1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska, grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.

Arizona1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona , grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas1874,Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arkansas, grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom.

Colorado1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of Universe.

Connecticut1818, Preamble.The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.

Delaware1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshipping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences.

Florida1885, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida, grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...

Georgia1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia, relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Hawaii1959, Preamble. We, the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance .. establish this Constitution.

Idaho1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.

Illinois1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

Indiana1851, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Indiana , grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to chose our form of government.

Iowa1857, Preamble. We, the People of the State of Iowa, grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings establish this Constitution.

Kansas1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution.

Kentucky1891, Preamble. We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...

Louisiana1921, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Louisiana, grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.

Maine1820, Preamble. We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of_the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity ... and imploring His aid and direction.

Maryland1776, Preamble. We, the people of the state of Maryland , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts , acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe .... in the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction .

Michigan1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of freedom establish this Constitution.

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota, grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings:

Mississippi1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Almighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri, with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness ... establish this Constitution ....

Montana1889, Preamble.We, the people of Montana, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution .

Nebraska1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom .. establish this Constitution.

Nevada1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom establish this Constitution ....

New Hampshire1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.

New Jersey1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

New Mexico1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty

New York1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.

North Carolina1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those

North Dakota1889, Preamble. We, the people of North Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common

Oklahoma1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty ... establish this ..

Oregon1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2.All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences..

Pennsylvania1776, Preamble. We, the people of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance

Rhode Island1842, Preamble.We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of he State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.

South Dakota1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota, grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties ...

Tennessee1796, Art. XI.III.That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...

Texas1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas , acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.

Utah1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.

Vermont1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to ... enable the individuals who compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man ..

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVI... Religion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator . can be directed only by Reason ... and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other.

Washington1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington , grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution

West Virginia1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God ..

Wisconsin1848, Preamble. We, the people of Wisconsin, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquility

Wyoming1890, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Wyoming , grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties .. establish this Constitution.



After reviewing acknowledgments of God from all 50 state constitutions, one is faced with the prospect that maybe, just maybe, the ACLU and the out-of-control federal courts are wrong!


"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." - William Penn


If you found this to be "Food for thought.." copy and send to as many as you think will be as touched as I hope you were.



GOD BLESS AMERICA !



IF all of the State Constitutions were declared invalid,

would the United States then be illegal?

and declared non-existent?

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You can copy and paste till the cows come. There were darn good reasons why the framers didn't want our country to be under religous rule. I think they were right.

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We are at a standstill in Iraq, the mid-east is about to explode into world war, the North Koreans are firing long range ballistic missles, gas is $3.12 a gallon, and Bush has Congress tied up over gay marriage. Give me one good reason why I should give a crap who marries who.

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You can copy and paste till the cows come. There were darn good reasons why the framers didn't want our country to be under religous rule. I think they were right.

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Jim,
You have a unique way of twisting words. Are you a politician?


As of now, the Dems have not allowed it to come to a vote. Wonder why? Voting records say a lot about a Senators character. One in Florida needs to go.

Question: On the Cloture Motion (Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to the Consideration of S. J. Res. 1 )

Grouped by homestate

Alabama: Sessions (R-AL), Yea Shelby (R-AL), Yea
Alaska: Murkowski (R-AK), Yea Stevens (R-AK), Yea
Arizona: Kyl (R-AZ), Yea McCain (R-AZ), Nay
Arkansas: Lincoln (D-AR), Nay Pryor (D-AR), Nay
California: Boxer (D-CA), Nay Feinstein (D-CA), Nay
Colorado: Allard (R-CO), Yea Salazar (D-CO), Nay
Connecticut: Dodd (D-CT), Not Voting Lieberman (D-CT), Nay
Delaware: Biden (D-DE), Nay Carper (D-DE), Nay
Florida: Martinez (R-FL), Yea Nelson (D-FL), Nay
Georgia: Chambliss (R-GA), Yea Isakson (R-GA), Yea
Hawaii: Akaka (D-HI), Nay Inouye (D-HI), Nay
Idaho: Craig (R-ID), Yea Crapo (R-ID), Yea
Illinois: Durbin (D-IL), Nay Obama (D-IL), Nay
Indiana: Bayh (D-IN), Nay Lugar (R-IN), Yea
Iowa: Grassley (R-IA), Yea Harkin (D-IA), Nay
Kansas: Brownback (R-KS), Yea Roberts (R-KS), Yea
Kentucky: Bunning (R-KY), Yea McConnell (R-KY), Yea
Louisiana: Landrieu (D-LA), Nay Vitter (R-LA), Yea
Maine: Collins (R-ME), Nay Snowe (R-ME), Nay
Maryland: Mikulski (D-MD), Nay Sarbanes (D-MD), Nay
Massachusetts: Kennedy (D-MA), Nay Kerry (D-MA), Nay
Michigan: Levin (D-MI), Nay Stabenow (D-MI), Nay
Minnesota: Coleman (R-MN), Yea Dayton (D-MN), Nay
Mississippi: Cochran (R-MS), Yea Lott (R-MS), Yea
Missouri: Bond (R-MO), Yea Talent (R-MO), Yea
Montana: Baucus (D-MT), Nay Burns (R-MT), Yea
Nebraska: Hagel (R-NE), Not Voting Nelson (D-NE), Yea
Nevada: Ensign (R-NV), Yea Reid (D-NV), Nay
New Hampshire: Gregg (R-NH), Nay Sununu (R-NH), Nay
New Jersey: Lautenberg (D-NJ), Nay Menendez (D-NJ), Nay
New Mexico: Bingaman (D-NM), Nay Domenici (R-NM), Yea
New York: Clinton (D-NY), Nay Schumer (D-NY), Nay
North Carolina: Burr (R-NC), Yea Dole (R-NC), Yea
North Dakota: Conrad (D-ND), Nay Dorgan (D-ND), Nay
Ohio: DeWine (R-OH), Yea Voinovich (R-OH), Yea
Oklahoma: Coburn (R-OK), Yea Inhofe (R-OK), Yea
Oregon: Smith (R-OR), Yea Wyden (D-OR), Nay
Pennsylvania: Santorum (R-PA), Yea Specter (R-PA), Nay
Rhode Island: Chafee (R-RI), Nay Reed (D-RI), Nay
South Carolina: DeMint (R-SC), Yea Graham (R-SC), Yea
South Dakota: Johnson (D-SD), Nay Thune (R-SD), Yea
Tennessee: Alexander (R-TN), Yea Frist (R-TN), Yea
Texas: Cornyn (R-TX), Yea Hutchison (R-TX), Yea
Utah: Bennett (R-UT), Yea Hatch (R-UT), Yea
Vermont: Jeffords (I-VT), Nay Leahy (D-VT), Nay
Virginia: Allen (R-VA), Yea Warner (R-VA), Yea
Washington: Cantwell (D-WA), Nay Murray (D-WA), Nay
West Virginia: Byrd (D-WV), Yea Rockefeller (D-WV), Not Voting
Wisconsin: Feingold (D-WI), Nay Kohl (D-WI), Nay
Wyoming: Enzi (R-WY), Yea Thomas (R-WY), Yea

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...&vote=00163

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What exactly does the constitution say? I've always been puzzled by this one.

Freedom to worship God in your own way?

Freedom to worship the god of your chosing?

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Leon, I, like many, prolly most Americans am repulsed by the ideal of gay marriage. I am also against drunk driving. I don't support a constitutional amendment against gay marriage and I wouldn't support a constitutional amendment banning drunk driving. I just feel these are issues that belong in the states, not the federal government. And I think Bushes only real reason for pushing the amendment is his attempt to focus Americans on something that the majority can wholeheartedly support him on. My feeling is that right now, this country has bigger fish to fry than gay marriage.

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I would say we dont need an amendment banning it. I do however think that the union should only be allowed to be recognized in the state it was done in. So, if you want to be gay and married move to Califiornia. There isnt much there besides a bunch of tree huggers anyway.

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Jim,
I am glad that you are repulsed by the idea of gay marriage.
Most if not all states have laws making drunk driving illegal and punishable with fines, jail time and or prison time.
if it is in the constitution then the states would not have to deal with all the court cases they are now. One time and it is done, instead of 50.

The point of the post was to let people see if they were being represented, by their elected officials, inline with their beliefs.
Based on the number of votes in favor of the ammendment, I think it is safe to say that is not the case for a lot of us.

Here is a little humor for you that I think we might all agree with.

Noah in 2006

In the year 2006, the Lord came unto Noah, who was now living in the United States, and said, "Once again, the earth has become wicked and over-populated, and I see the end of all flesh before me.

Build another Ark and save 2 of every living thing along with a few good humans."

He gave Noah the blueprints, saying, "You have 6 months to build the Ark before I will start the unending rain for 40 days and 40 nights."
Six months later, the Lord looked down and saw Noah weeping in his yard - but no Ark.
"Noah!" He roared, "I'm about to start the rain! Where is the Ark?"
"Forgive me, Lord," begged Noah, "but things have changed. I needed a building permit. I've been arguing with the inspector about the need for a sprinkler system. My neighbors claim that I've violated the neighborhood zoning laws by building the Ark in my yard and exceeding the height limitations. We had to go to the Development Appeal Board for a decision.
Then the Department of Transportation demanded a bond be posted for the future costs of moving power lines and other overhead obstructions, to clear the passage for the Ark's move to the sea. I told them that the sea would be coming to us, but they would hear nothing of it.

Getting the wood was another problem. There's a ban on cutting local trees in order to save the spotted owl. I tried to convince the environmentalists that I needed the wood to save the owls - but no go!
When I started gathering the animals, an animal rights group sued me.

They insisted that I was confining wild animals against their will.
They argued the accommodation was too restrictive, and it was cruel and inhumane to put so many animals in a confined space.
Then the EPA ruled that I couldn't build the Ark until they'd
conducted an environmental impact study on your proposed flood.
I'm still trying to resolve a complaint with the Human Rights
Commission on how many minorities I'm supposed to hire for my building crew.

Immigration and Naturalization is checking the green-card status of most of the people who want to work.

The trades unions say I can't use my sons. They insist I have to hire only Union workers with Ark-building experience.

To make matters worse, the IRS seized all my assets, claiming I'm trying to leave the country illegally with endangered species.

So, forgive me, Lord, but it would take at least 10 years for me to
finish this Ark."

Suddenly the skies cleared, the sun began to shine, and a rainbow stretched across the sky. Noah looked up in wonder and asked, "You mean you're not going to destroy the world?"
"No," said the Lord. "The government beat me to it."


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Sec. 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship
almighty God according to the dictates of their own con-
sciences.

Sec. 3. No law shall in any case whatever control the free exercise and enjoyment of religeous (sic) opinions, or interfere with the rights of conscience.

The rights of conscience implies one doesn't have to follow other's religous beliefs, so I would say it is taken out of context saying all states have believing in a Judo/Christian God in the state constitution, one follows one's conscience here in Oregon. Some people's conscience ain't the same as others.

The laws about abortion, gay marrage, assisted suicide are all hot topics because of religious bias.

My God doesn't give a toot about who marrys whom, my God didn't intend people to be kept alive longer than their bobies could handle by tubes and ventilators or for babies to be born months too early and kept alive so they could be dependant on life support and special cares the rest of their lives. That's human will, not God's.

If you want to argue the economic impact of allowing gay marriage on business and industry, that's different....

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I don't even know why this is a political hot topic. Who does it hurt if a couple queers or lesbians want to get married? The politicians have a million more important things to take care besides a bunch of religious busy bodies worring about what homo's do in there spare time. I promise you the religious folks run off more people that they can convert by worring about everyone elses business but there own.

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I don't even know why this is a political hot topic. Who does it hurt if a couple queers or lesbians want to get married? The politicians have a million more important things to take care besides a bunch of religious busy bodies worring about what homo's do in there spare time. I promise you the religious folks run off more people that they can convert by worring about everyone elses business but there own.

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How does discriminating against gays protect marriage? I am married and I don't feel one bit threatened by two gays, or lesbians getting married.

If Gays/ Lesbians can't get legally maried then they do not have the same ability to allow their mate to collect their social security in the event that the bread winner dies.

There are a whole host of financial inequalities if they are not allowed to be legally married. They pay the same taxes as you do!!!

If I believed that they woke up one day and said I WANT TO BE A HOMO AND BE RIDICULED AND PERSECuTED THE REST OF MY LIFE Then I would not stick up for them. I believe they are born the way they are and the best way to see less of them is to accept them. Persecuting them so some of them pretend they are heterasexual and get married and produce offspring only perpetuates the gene.

Why are some people so obsessed with this topic anyway?
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leave it up to the states

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