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How do you guys figure percentage for accuracy? How do you figure in den trees, ground holes,cedar trees,tracks started then quit....ect...?

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I never figured percentage. I know when I'm enjoying hunting and when I'm not.

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Almost every dog for sale ad mentions accuracy, so I was wondering what the criteria was for most people.

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It's an estimate. I compare the trees that I walk in to that have coon and the trees that are slick. I don't figure in dens, holes, or ect. If I have 5 slick trees and 5 with coon, that's 50% accuracy. When I'm describing a hounds ability to find and tree coon I will allow the dens, holes, and even slick trees to be factored in but not with the misunderstanding that each time was successfully accurate. I know guys around here that like to count #s so they will many times mention how they have hunted 5 nights and knocked out 10 coons. They fail to mention that 2 of those nights were where the dogs treed 3 kits up 1 tree and they killed them all. For that reason I like to use the percentage description as to not be misleading, but I'm sure that it could still be misused. I think it's best to see the dog hunt for yourself and if you have it on trial give about 10 nights of hunting with you before you decide. I have brought several hounds home to train for other people and they almost always seem to be a different hound at first.

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Number of trees that have a coon. 5 coon in a tree is 1 tree that has a coon. If he trees on 10 different trees in one night or 12 nights, I best see a coon in 8 to 10 of those trees. Can not believe the “handlers” that will walk a mile to look at an empty tree and think they have a coonhound?? 50%/60% here would cause a doghouse to be empty in a hurry with a fresh mound of dirt out back.
(Dens don’t count for or against him.)
But what if the leaves are thick?😢😢😢 Learn how to shine and find a coon. Shining a tree is an art, practice it and learn it. Heck, I was on a cast one night as a spectator to check out some stud dogs. The handlers hit that tree with all their power. 2 airplanes started to circle and a few leaves started to smoke and after the time was up they circled it. I didn’t turn on a light but told them if they wanted to see the coon, just shine the bottom limb—and there he sat. Will always remember Kenny Churchill getting really mad but I was just a “spectator”😂🤣

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Number of trees that have a coon. 5 coon in a tree is 1 tree that has a coon. If he trees on 10 different trees in one night or 12 nights, I best see a coon in 8 to 10 of those trees. Can not believe the “handlers” that will walk a mile to look at an empty tree and think they have a coonhound?? 50%/60% here would cause a doghouse to be empty in a hurry with a fresh mound of dirt out back.
(Dens don’t count for or against him.)
But what if the leaves are thick?😢😢😢 Learn how to shine and find a coon. Shining a tree is an art, practice it and learn it. Heck, I was on a cast one night as a spectator to check out some stud dogs. The handlers hit that tree with all their power. 2 airplanes started to circle and a few leaves started to smoke and after the time was up they circled it. I didn’t turn on a light but told them if they wanted to see the coon, just shine the bottom limb—and there he sat. Well always remember Kenny Churchill getting really mad but I was just a “spectator”😂🤣

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Dave and Old Timer : Do you guys tree in a lot of den trees?

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Seen a raccoon in every tree but one this fall.

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I never figured percentage. I know when I'm enjoying hunting and when I'm not.

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Dave and Old Timer : Do you guys tree in a lot of den trees?

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I have found out that the more accurate the dog, the less den trees you will tree. One fall and winter we hunted hard 5/6 nights a week in ALL kinds of weather and treed less than 10 dens and saw coons in 4 or 5 of those dens. A lot of our friends were freeing lots of dens, we just laughed. Dave

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Anything less than seeing enough of the coon itself to know for sure it is a coon is nothing more than speculation.

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If you can't take it home then you don't have anything or so I been told.

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If you can't take it home then you don't have anything or so I been told.

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I've always believed to many backtracking dogs got the wrong label of just being "cold nosed" because of hollow trees.

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I've always believed to many backtracking dogs got the wrong label of just being "cold nosed" because of hollow trees.

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I have been with some cold nosed dogs that tree plenty of dens and I was told by an old timer around here that a chopping axe can sure ruin a good coon hunt. I have taken his advise and checked a few of those dens when they became too common to suit me. After we installed a good window in the den and saw the ringtail I had to give them the benefit of the doubt on the others. Other times I found out that the cold nosed dog was going backwards, but then I was able to work on that. I have done the same for young dogs that I train/hunt for others. When I'm hunting your hound to help them improve I need to have more to tell you than "treed another den" so I like to have the answer to the question we all are thinking.

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I’ve seen some cold nosed coon dogs that had trouble determining which way is the right direction on a cold
track. That seemed to show up mostly when the dogs were 6-7 yrs old and up.

I’ve also read that some big game houndsmen would/will walk with a dog leashed on a cold track if the animals footprints can be seen by human eyes to make sure the dog gets headed in the right direction.

Some will likely say the dog is worthless if they can’t tell the difference but if you stop and think about it, how much different does the track likely smell 20-30 feet ahead of the last track on a cold track. There’s a lot that we don’t understand about scent and how a good hound determines direction on a cold track.

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I’ve seen some cold nosed coon dogs that had trouble determining which way is the right direction on a cold
track. That seemed to show up mostly when the dogs were 6-7 yrs old and up.

I’ve also read that some big game houndsmen would/will walk with a dog leashed on a cold track if the animals footprints can be seen by human eyes to make sure the dog gets headed in the right direction.

Some will likely say the dog is worthless if they can’t tell the difference but if you stop and think about it, how much different does the track likely smell 20-30 feet ahead of the last track on a cold track. There’s a lot that we don’t understand about scent and how a good hound determines direction on a cold track.

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Every dog that I considered a very good dog, above average would go one way and was very accurate and very few den trees and I did carry an ax just to be sure.

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