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As I sit and read the reporting of cast and scores. I am wondering how dogs that scored 1250+ thru 600+ on the night for qualifying for the top sixteen. And the next night only score the low scores in finals. Just reading and wondering. Maybe someone can explain the out of the world scores on one night and then have more believable scores the next night.

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Example

1250+ requires scoring 6 trees in a 90 minute hunt that 15 minutes per tree. That my friend is getting’er done. Not meaning no malice to anyone, just reading and applying math to the hunt.

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Friday night rounds were 2 hours and saturdays were 90 minutes for starters

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My guess would be night 1 for qualifying was a lot of one drop, one tree woods and calling time outs and rinse and repeat for 2 hours making that 120 minute hunt last 4 hours. Still a score of 1000+ still sounds tough to me. That would almost have to require 1st and 1st all night and not having to look too hard for a coon for the dog and the hunter. Burning 8 minutes of shine time would really hurt trying to run a score up.

Second night was probably more realistic hunting, having to recut, etc. Keeping that 100 strike closed and having to strike in for 25 off a recut.

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So using 120 minutes, still have to make a minimum of 20 minutes per scored trees(with coons) 1 tree without a coon changes the timing tremendously.

Did any of you guys count and see the scores that it took to make the top 16?

These are all Gr Nt Ch’s right. And we are going to turn loose 4 of these Gr Nt Ch 6 times and tree all together and score the trees? I thought in order to call time out there had to be some kind of interference or need new hunting ground?

Just asking. Sure seems almost impossible.

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I am not saying 1000+ is a practical score, it is very tough to do and you have to play all rules and luck to your favor. I would definitely would have to see to believe, but using the rule book can make it obtainable.

As far as time out goes. If all dogs are declared treed and the cast agrees to change hunting location after scoring, time out can be called while walking to each dog. When they arrive and shine time starts the hunt time resumes. Then time out is called again while walking to dog 2,3,4. After a scored tree, dogs must remained handled while walking to next dog to score. But if a dog leaves a tree or 2 minutes catches them, time out is negated and leashed dogs have to be re cut. So my guess is a lot of this happened to keep the minutes on the clock. A lot of clock management was used Friday night.

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Wow a lot of stuff happened in 20 minutes. Turn loose, strike, tree, score. Best case scenario all dogs tree together. Remember you have to have first and first 5 times with a need of 125 additional points. Any lease time traveling to a tree clearly makes this score impossible.

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It can be done if 2 dogs are scratched for fighting leaving 2 dogs to hunt over hour together and they back each other. Lots of situations can obtain hi scores such as a dog trees 2 Coon on 1/1 up 450 in 30 min and other dogs look like poo and handlers withdraw to give the real Coon dog on the cast a opportunity to rack up a score to get in the final 4. A lot of questions could be answered by seeing the score card of the Grand 16. I would love for ukc to post the score cards of the grand 16 and major hunts it would allow the ukc fan base to be more a part of the sport as a fan like me because I never have and probably never will have the kind of dog power to score a 1000 points. When I see Nite Champion overall winner of Oaks 700 plus, then Registered overall winner 650 plus on beautiful full moon nights, but the Grand 16 cut off was what 550 plus and had 3/4 1000 plus point winners?! Like I said in my FB post it’s all a head scratcher to me. Even had one FB unfriend me because I simply asked a few questions. In my experience a liar gets mad when questioned but if your telling the truth and have nothing to hide you don’t get mad, this certain individual that unfriend me on FB was the handler of one of the high point Grand cast winners!!

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I just wonder if Friday night scores differ from Saturday night, cause on Saturday night there was non hunting judges and guides. I noticed some dogs had high scores on Friday night with cast win and no score on Saturday night. It does seem odd.

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I am seeing examples of almost impossible situations. Still does nothing to change the high scores on Friday to the low scores on Saturday. To big of a difference. Questions should have been addressed at the hunt by MOH. These kind of situations just look extremely fishy. To much, too many.

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You guys must not have ever hunted with a dog that can get treed multiple times in a row quickly with raccoons. I rarely hunt UKC. I have only hunted it about twice since the new rules. I scored 800 with the old rules and only moved one time. With these new rules and good dogs scoring 1000 wouldn’t be to hard. Guys are showing up to this hunt to get into the grand 16, a cast win really doesn’t matter so if they are being beat pretty good with some time left I’m sure they are withdrawing. Leaving a dog by itself for a little while for 1st and 1st on 2 coons can make your score go from 450 to 1000 in 20 minutes.

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I hunted Friday and Saturday, the weather was a contributing factor. Friday night was cool and coon moved, we treed 8 on my cast, Saturday was hot and muggy we treed 1 coon. I’ve scored over 1000 several times, it’s not necessarily easy, but not as hard as some are making it.

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I have hunted in UKC, PCA, PKC, ACHA. I have scored 850+ twice. I have scored 700 - 750+ 4 times. I am sure that there are better dogs out there than I’ve hunted. But the question is about the limited time and rules that have to be applied and the time it takes to execute them. Oh yea been hunting for about 45 years in comp.

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On Sat night our cast had dogs split on 2 trees within the first 3-5 mins. They were about 100 yds from us and 50 yds apart. We went on to make 11 trees. More than 1000 plus points is fairly easy to make up there in a 2 hr hunt. The ones doubting it must have never hunted in that territory or never hunted with a real tree dog. The top 16 casts only hunted for 90 minutes and in different types of woods from Fri night casts. Guides on Fri night knew that they had to have a high score.
Interweb Coonhunters sure are a suspicious lot. I wonder why that is.

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It’s not the high numbers from Friday night that just blows me away but for somebody that wasn’t there or internet hunters as u say it does make you question why so few of points on Saturday when compared to Friday but with weather conditions changing and different woods like was said would explain that

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I have been there and seen that Richard. You are correct in scores of 1000 + are fairly common for the cast winner. Of the time i hunted there, and with a tree minded hound, i never had less than 800. While i was MOH up there, most the score would be 800 or better from last to first. Of course there are exceptions, but to see a card with 1250 plus is very doable in a 2 hour hunt in the Richmond Indiana area. If i was to question scores, it would be when the classic was in Albany GA and a leopard hound wins with over a thousand. yes it hunted alone for about 100 minutes, but they still have to tree and see coons with the slowest dog i ever hunted with. That was not likely, but stranger things have happened before.

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I have never hunted with 4 Gr Nt Chs that tree together as much as these scores showed just on the qualifying night. No scores equaled Friday night scores. Not even close.

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Big score casts on Fri night probably didn't have 4 dogs hunting the last hour. I guess when you have something set in your mind, no amount of reasoning is going to change it. Fri night scores were real no matter whether someone who wasn't even there believes it or not. Everyone hunting knew that 550-600 would get them in Top 16. They had no reason to "add" points after that.

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Problem i see is someone seems to be saying that someone had to be cheating to get a big score. Everybody knows that people would never ever do that and dishonor the honor rules. Hmmm

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So you maybe right! Yes and I wasn’t there. But it seems and this is looking from a distance that on the qualifying night of any large hunt the scores always balloon. I was at a world sectional a few years back and I am sure you know how that works! There was score on Friday night that in my opinion was very hard to believe. On the draw out for Saturday, there was additional activities that was happening. As I understand there a guide that has access to plot of property that was closed to the public for hunting
(Park) So the officials would not let him guide back to that area. But allowed the ballooned score stand. I’m not saying that there is cheating, but when you watch from a distance it can be perceived as so.

2 dogs maybe…. 1 dog not a chance. 5 minute wait time on trees eats up to much time.

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Win your cast and advance, eliminate the need for huge “get-in” scores.

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Win your cast and advance, eliminate the need for huge “get-in” scores.

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I have been in the Grand 16- 4 times and I have scored in the 700s all 4 times. Usually 550 and up will get you in. That's 3 coon and very do-able.

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