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Been listening to some of them lately and have really enjoyed them. Lot of good info and some of the coonhound worlds knowledgable breeders and hunters being interviewed.

I like to listen to what is being said. Then kind of read between the lines and see what really might should have been said. Wondering if any of the podcast guys are listening to they own stuff and realizing some errors to their ways.

Biggest one I picked up on is to hunt males or females. A group felt their males are not holding up for several years as they should be. They are talking about switching to hunting females. My thoughts on that if the do switch and the females can't stand up to stiff competition hunting/training either for a long time. Is the demand just too much for a dog or is the trainers putting more emphasis on training than perhaps genetics. I think the right genetics can allow a dog to perform at a high level for a long time. But the training has to be there and dog has to be able to take it. Just don't try and make a silk purse our of a sows ear. Then expect it to shine a long time.

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I agree with your thinking Bruce. I can think of examples that show male or female can and will hold up to a lot of pressure and hunting for years. If you’re needing to “train” one so much that it can’t hold up I feel you need to breed for characteristics that wouldn’t require so much “training”. Dogs that naturally want to find a RACCOON every second that they are loose and have natural talent to do so really don’t require a lot of “training”, just guidance . I personally like my dogs to be independent but treeing with dogs on a coon they work together (first cut out of truck) isn’t something to be ashamed of. Some of these guys saddle a big ego up on a little dog.

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Yep ego is the problem. It seems like they want to play by the rules but they try to train a dog to win the way they want one to win, instead of having a dog that wins with the natural ability the rules allow a dog to win with . I understand having priorities and what ya like in a dog. But if you're training a dog that has to be alone all the time and has to tree an extra coon every hunt for the most part to be a winner than maybe your expectations and reality aren't in prospective. . But hey it's just my view from the outside looking in cause I'm not a player and could be completely wrong.
From my view as well it looks like the babblers that cover more often than some like do seem to last in the elite comp world a little longer.

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Originally posted by Bruce m. Conkey
Been listening to some of them lately and have really enjoyed them. Lot of good info and some of the coonhound worlds knowledgable breeders and hunters being interviewed.

I like to listen to what is being said. Then kind of read between the lines and see what really might should have been said. Wondering if any of the podcast guys are listening to they own stuff and realizing some errors to their ways.

Biggest one I picked up on is to hunt males or females. A group felt their males are not holding up for several years as they should be. They are talking about switching to hunting females. My thoughts on that if the do switch and the females can't stand up to stiff competition hunting/training either for a long time. Is the demand just too much for a dog or is the trainers putting more emphasis on training than perhaps genetics. I think the right genetics can allow a dog to perform at a high level for a long time. But the training has to be there and dog has to be able to take it. Just don't try and make a silk purse our of a sows ear. Then expect it to shine a long time.

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Josh it is guys like yourself and fellow hunters that are the proving grounds for the do's and dont's in the sport. Appreciate you sharing your experience on the podcast. Sure not saying I disagree, just offering what my mind thinks could be an issue. You have seen the saying that a man's ego is a hard thing for a dog to carry. Not saying in your case but many of these dogs get over corrected trying to carry that ego. That over correcting leads to issues.

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Josh it is guys like yourself and fellow hunters that are the proving grounds for the do's and dont's in the sport. Appreciate you sharing your experience on the podcast. Sure not saying I disagree, just offering what my mind thinks could be an issue. You have seen the saying that a man's ego is a hard thing for a dog to carry. Not saying in your case but many of these dogs get over corrected trying to carry that ego. That over correcting leads to issues.

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